I See The Israelis Have Resumed Exercising Their "Right To Self Defense".

[sandyRoe]

Reports say 30 Palestinians have been killed this morning.

When will western governments come to see that they're watching acts of bloody revenge that wouldn't be out of place in one of the gorier sections of the Old Testament?

[Ellipsis]

> Hamas had started it and now Israel will,as promised,finish it once and for all.

Israel is a country, Hamas is not. Israel may kill Hamas, the problem is that they are also killing innocent people who are not Hamas, including thousands of babies.  I do not mention dead babies to pluck the heartstrings, I mention them because they are indisputably innocent human beings that have been killed by choices made by Israel.

[naomi24]

^I'll return to my question which as yet remains unanswered.  Should Israelis just sit and wait to be slaughtered and for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth?  There are only two options.  That's one of them.

[Ellipsis]

No, they should not.  They should act - the question is how.  They have choices. The choices they are making are not good, because they are killing and maiming too many innocent people - and that has long-term consequences.

[ynnafymmi]

@13.22.All started by the Hamas terrorists on 7th October,Ellipsis.All these innocents were basically murdered indirectly by the Hamas terrorists on 07/10/23.

[10ClarionSt]

No point in me commenting as one user ^ of this site has called me an anti semetic former member of the Hitler Youth movement. I'm still waiting for that user to apologise.

[Ellipsis]

> All these innocents were basically murdered indirectly by the Hamas terrorists on 07/10/23.

Israel has choices ... they are not some kind of Pavlovian dog that drools just belong a bell rings. Israel can carry on as they are, or they can do things differently, killing fewer innocent people. It's their choice.

[ynnafymmi]

@13.36.Sorry then,10CS.You are definitely non anti-semitic and as for being a member of the Hitler Youth,i was being facetious(as you probably know).Have a nice day.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, how can Israel do things differently?  Hamas, by doing what it is doing, is killing its own people.  

[royfromaus]

Hamas kills its own people regardless. 

[Ellipsis]

> Ellipsis, how can Israel do things differently?  Hamas, by doing what it is doing, is killing its own people. 

That's the same thing as ynnafymmi said at 13:31, and my response is the same at 13:37:

Israel has choices ... they are not some kind of Pavlovian dog that drools just belong a bell rings. Israel can carry on as they are, or they can do things differently, killing fewer innocent people. It's their choice.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis. I know - and I've asked you how they can do things differently.

[Ellipsis]

Israel is killing and maiming too many innocent people - and that has long-term consequences. Kill and maim fewer innocent people. 

[ynnafymmi]

The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews-1933-1945.Do you think the Jews nowadays will allow the modern day Nazis(Hamas) to inflict the same thing on them,Ellipsis?

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, kill fewer people?  How?  They're at war fighting for the survival of their nation.

[Untitled]

genocide is never under any circumstances an acceptable means of self defence. never ever. 

israel has contributed enormously to bringing this situation about... it supported hamas materially for years in pursuit of disgraceful political aims. had they not done that, hamas would not be in the position they are now. this is not a war between good and evil - it is a war between a murderous faction of terrorists on the one hand and a genocidal colonial regime on the other. both are quite happy to put huge numbers of civilians to death including children and babies... and neither one should be supported. 

[Untitled]

israel's alternative would be to engineer a coup within gaza to bring down the hamas government and allow the strip to unify with the palestinian authority... factions like fatah are far preferable to hamas and would prove useful partners in doing this. it would take work but it could be done. 
 

israel has discounted such a strategy because it prefers hamas to a unified palestinian authority - so hamas is what it got and they encouraged it willingly. if you sow terror you reap terror.

[Ellipsis]

> Ellipsis, kill fewer people?  How?  They're at war fighting for the survival of their nation.

I didn't say kill fewer people - I said "Kill and maim fewer innocent people".  Is that too much to ask?

[Spungle]

Israel have a right to self-defence.  They were brutally attacked by Hamas on Oct 7th.  This is a proscribed terrorist organisation whose very purpose is the destruction of Israel.  The only answer is the complete annihilation of Hamas.  If the arab countries like Egypt,Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, opened their doors for Palestinian civilians to flee to while Hamas get completely annihilated, this would help.  But they won't, as they don't care for human life, and don't agree that the Jewish people should have a homeland of their own.  The civilians in Gaza, and the civilians in Israel, are innocents, but sadly, they are now in the middle of a war between Hamas and Israel, and the only answer is the complete annihilation of Hamas.  

[ynnafymmi]

^@14.34.Best Answer,sandy?

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, I keep asking how but no one is telling me.  Look at the link jth posted.  That should make anyone's blood run cold.