I See The Israelis Have Resumed Exercising Their "Right To Self Defense".

[sandyRoe]

Reports say 30 Palestinians have been killed this morning.

When will western governments come to see that they're watching acts of bloody revenge that wouldn't be out of place in one of the gorier sections of the Old Testament?

[Peter Pedant]

 'Kill fewer people' as ellipsis said just doesn't cut it.

OK, kill no babies - -  does that cut it?

jesus on a bicycle

[ynnafymmi]

@17.19.All murdered by the Hamas terrorist attack on the 7th October Peter.

[naomi24]

No, Peter Pedant, that doesn't cut it either - even with Jesus in tow.

[Ellipsis]

> Ellipsis, no point getting stroppy with me.  You said it.

I am not stroppy, I'm actually laughing at your impudent manipulation of what I did actually say.  Every time I say "kill and maim fewer innocent people" you change it to "kill fewer people", which completely changes the meaning, as you know.  There is an important difference between "people" and "innocent people", and I showed that some people that have been killed are indisputably innocent.

[ynnafymmi]

Should be-"Christ on a bike",but Peter seems to live in his own little world,Naomi.

[ynnafymmi]

@17.31.So you are saying now we should eradicate these Hamas terrorists off the face of the earth now?I wish you would make your mind up.

[Untitled]

From human rights watch 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/01/birth-and-death-intertwined-gaza-strip

"On November 9, Israeli airstrikes hit Al-Nasr Medical Center in Gaza City, cutting off the neonatal intensive care unit’s oxygen supply. The attack forced staff to evacuate the next day, leaving babies that could not be transported alone in intensive care, according to Doctors Without Borders. On November 28 during the ceasefire, doctors were able to return and found five babies dead."

naomi calls it "virtue signalling" to object to this... an indication of just how empty and nasty that phrase is. "virtue signalling" to say that israel should not bomb hospitals or kill children. apparently it's all worth it in order to wage war on islam. what an evil worldview. 

 

[Ellipsis]

> virtue signalling: the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

Virtue signalling cuts both ways, you know ... saying that somebody is virtue signalling is, in itself, an example of virtue signalling, even if you were wrong about the original virtue signalling in the first place!

[Untitled]

perhaps someone might explain how the deaths of those babies has made israel safer? i cannot see how it has. 

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, I haven't 'manipulated' your words.  No need to.   With Hamas using the civilian population to its own ends your suggestion is nothing more than unworkable idealism.  It's not realistic.  

[naomi24]

No one claimed that, untitled.  That's in your head.

[Countrylover]

'What an evil worldview'

It certainly is!

[ynnafymmi]

@17.41.All started by the Hamas terrorists on 7th October.Blame them first,hun,not the Israelis.

[Untitled]

israel did not need to attack up that hospital. they chose to do that and were begged not to for the sake of the children's lives. they did it anyway. 

[Ellipsis]

> With Hamas using the civilian population to its own ends your suggestion is nothing more than unworkable idealism.  It's not realistic. 

Your answer is the equivalent of Pavlovian dog salivating at the master's bell.  You are saying that Israel has no choice, it can only do what it is doing, killing thousands of innocent people.  But of course it does have choices ...

[webbo3]

Hamas has stopped the ceasefire just like on the 7th Oct

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67575684

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shooting-attack-jerusalem-wounds-least-6-ambulance-service-2023-11-30/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/three-killed-6-injured-in-terror-shooting-at-jerusalem-entrance-bus-stop/

 

[fender62]

if it were me and i had the ultimate decision, id remove palestinians from gaza and make it part of isreal and it would prosper and be transformed modernised etc, palestinians can me moved to the westbank and let the arabs bankroll them to rebuild, have there own state, with a nice big wall between both countries, let's see who prospers without arab money, cause arabs don't really care, different tribes see, ie sunni shia hate divide...although they pay lip service..brothers and all that, a palestinian state needs economics exports besides more palestinians, tourism perhaps? olives erm, this is not a dig either, but a realistic proposal.

[naomi24]

Untitled, objecting to babies being killed isn't virtue signalling.  These hand-wringing objections to Israel defending itself and faux claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing is virtue signalling - and if anyone has an evil world view it's Hamas and those who think like them.  They're the people you should be attacking.  By their actions they are killing their own - babies and all!!  

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, you're clearly fond of that dog.  You've mentioned him once or twice already.

[Ellipsis]

Because it shows the difference between having no choice - an automatic act/react response to a trigger - and having a choice, which any rational actor has.