The Tories Are Revolting

[Canary42]

Nothing new there then.

https://ibb.co/T0cyVq9

 

[gulliver1]

"Here Here"

[ichkeria]

It's worth making a sensible thread of this so here is the story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68001727
 

It's rather a bizarre sequence of events: resignations to allow for voting for amendments that won't in all likelihood pass, before then voting for the final Bill. Until it comes back from the Lords. What their lordships will make pf a possibly workaround involving changes to the civil service code is anyone's guess.

[Old_Geezer]

And so they should. Their leader continues to give lip service to the issue and is simply opting to allow it to be delayed until further down the line. All this insistence that he'll ignore EU pet courts who declare reasonable action to be illegal, will come to nought when it reaches that stage. Were he serious he'd withdraw from anything that has proven to be unfit for purpose immediately. Instead he'll simply allow it to get bogged down again.

[Untitled]

the conservative party is not fit to govern.

[Old_Geezer]

Nor are most of the other parties, so nothing new there then.

[ichkeria]

"Their leader continues to give lip service to the issue and is simply opting to allow it to be delayed until further down the line. All this insistence that he'll ignore EU pet courts who declare reasonable action to be illegal, will come to nought when it reaches that stage. Were he serious he'd withdraw from anything that has proven to be unfit for purpose immediately. Instead he'll simply allow it to get bogged down again."

Well actually that isn't what is happening is it? All the indications are the Bill will pass later as even the rebels who have rebelled say they'll vote for it later but want to debate the issue by putting in amendments - although I don't support them I can see their point. The Bill isn't going to be delayed, and in fairness to the PM if it runs into trouble later that won't be down to him. I think the thing is shameful, but it's the case that he's desperate to see in through, so from his point of view I can understand it.

[Old_Geezer]

But it is what is happening. Those who show most enthusiasm for tackling the issue argue that the ammendments are necessary. So one trusts their judgement over those who refuse to do basic things that are necessary. And getting legislation through that foreign courts will deem to be illegal anyway is clearly just going to waste time, which one might wonder was the aim anyway.

[gulliver1]

Untitled @ 09.25 "the conservative party is not fit to govern"Spot on.

[ichkeria]

"Those who show most enthusiasm for tackling the issue argue that the ammendments are necessary."

Well, obviously: but as I said previously, they are probably not daft enough to throw the thing out when the time comes.

"And getting legislation through that foreign courts will deem to be illegal anyway is clearly just going to waste time"

But Sunak claims to have a workaround for that, again as stated above. This is why he says that the amendments are unnecessary. And it is in all probability why the wretched thing will get through. I am inclined to agree with Sir John Curtice in that Talk TV piece someone posted yesterday: the government is not helping itself by concentrating on an issue it is seen as having handled particularly badly, regardless of your views on immigrants. Sunak is desperate to prove that they CAN fix it but it is a huge risk.

 

[Old_Geezer]

You have more faith in this "workaround" than I have.

[ichkeria]

The thing is: if the Bill is thrown out then Rwanda is dead. And presumably Lee Anderson and co don't want that.