So Lets Crucify Another Copper For Trying To Do His Job.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502539

So he shot a known criminal in a stolen car.

[davebro3]

Anyone ramming police vehicles in an attempt to evade arrest deserves to be shot IMV. If the shot proves to be fatal - well tough luck. Cop has no case to answer.

[retrocop]

If an officer is in genuine fear of his life or the life of another or that of one who he is protecting he can fire after giving an appropriate caution.

Those are the rules that were given to armed police officers when I was trained as an AFO. That does include the use of a vehicle to harm or kill or any other item that can be used or adapted to kill. Police officers are NOT trained to shoot out tyres or to aim for the legs or shoot a weapon out of an assailant's hand and other such nonsense.The police issue weapon is used to incapacitate any threat and if the two shots (usually), prove fatal then we have a coroner's court enquiry. In recent police shooting events (London Bridge) the officers,having shot and stopped the threat will render first aid .

[andy-hughes]

Retroco - The point remains that the court will decide if the accused officer is guilty of murder or not.

The evidence will include testimony as to whether the officer fired believing his life, or other lives, were in danger, or not.

Until then, all we have a confused and conflicting media reports that do not appear to confirm either way.

[webbo3]

I knew I remembered something, not that innocent..

https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/21432000.man-19-charged-canning-town-shooting/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/04/chris-kaba-involved-in-gun-attack-prior-police-shooting/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/08/drill-rapper-shot-dead-police-had-jailed-firearms-offence/

[naomi24]

Good posts webbo.

[andy-hughes]

The deceased may well have been a very bad person.

That does not mean we can think it's ok if he was murdered by a police officer. 

[naomi24]

I don't know who 'we' are but I'll shed no tears for him.

[webbo3]

Andy Hughes @16:17

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The deceased may well have been a very bad person.

That does not mean we can think it's ok if he was murdered by a police officer. //

 

The police can not afford to take a risk is if someome has firearms offences behind them.

[retrocop]

I am fully aware what the court proceedings entail after a police shooting fatality. Both coroner and criminal courts. I know of several D11 fireaarms instructors who had fatally killed criminals and one was unfortunate enough to ha ve shot two perpetrators on seperate incidents. I have not and do not intend to debate the procedures that follow these incidents.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - We are society who rely on the police to enforcement our laws, because without them we cease to be civilised. 

I will notched a tear either, but that's because I don't mourn complete strangers. Which is not the sane as assuming that his death was automatically a good thing, however it was achieved. 

[andy-hughes]

Webbo - The law permits the police to fire if life is under immediate threat, and only then.

Shooting someone because they handled guns in the past is not covered. 

[andy-hughes]

Retrocop - No-one is asking you to debate anything.

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, I can do without the preaching thanks.  I seriously couldn't care less about this man.  The world's a better place without people like him.

[webbo3]

Andy Hughes

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Webbo - The law permits the police to fire if life is under immediate threat, and only then.

Shooting someone because they handled guns in the past is not covered. //

 

They can't be sure he wasn't armed going on his previous form

[davebro3]

I would have shot him.

[retrocop]

The armchair warriors are out to spoil this post again and that's the reason I will take no further part in it.

[sp1814]

The police do an EXTREMELY difficult job especially armed response units. For this reason we have to have complete trust in their training, decision-making and responsibilities.

If it's proven that an officer had failed to meet these exacting standards then a case should be brought. Only then with full evidence being brought before a court of law (if indeed the CPS lets it get that far) can it be determined whether a crime has been committed.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - I don't believe I am preaching.

I won't mourn him either, but neither will I be happy if he has been murdered, because that's about us, not him. 

[andy-hughes]

webbo - // They can't be sure he wasn't armed going on his previous form //

No they can't, but neither can they assume he was, amd shoot him dead just in case.

If it is proven that he had a gun, and was about to use it, either on the officer involved, or anyone else, then that's fine.

But we don't know that yet.