So Lets Crucify Another Copper For Trying To Do His Job.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502539

So he shot a known criminal in a stolen car.

[Redhelen72]

Tora - did you read the police conduct statement or have you only read the news papers

 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // 

// So now all coppers are murdering sex offenders by default! Right oh! //

I'd love to think that you posted that, invoking the 'So Rule' to be amusing, but experience tells me that you have a distinct absence of humour and proper perception when you are sitting on your high horse in full rant mode.

 

// Despite recent bad apples I still think most coppers are hard working careerists, often doing a difficult job so forgive me if that is my default until I know otherwise. //

I think that too - but that does not mean that I assume that they all are - which you are doing on this occasion, by placing a halo on this officer's metaphorical head based on no evidence whatsoever, other than your need to be self-righteous - again.

// On the other hand a proven criminal is shot whilst trying to kill others and the lefty screens of the land are pebble dashed with organic peace porrige! //

You don't know what the circumstances were, you weren't there.

Neither was I, which stops me from jumping to conclusions which is your major fault when you launch these tirades.

//Lets wait for the jury decision, I predict not guilty. //

Yes lets.

But I am not willing to make a predicition based on what I may or may not want to happen - I have no view either way.

Mainly because I don't decide whether strangers deserve to live or die, or police officers to be guilty or not guilty, based on cultural stereotyping, which can often lead people with egg on their faces.

[Gromit]

Most if not all the witnesses to this incident were Police Officers on duty. It has been thoroughly investigated by the Independent Office for Police Conduct and it is them, after hearing (and possibly seeing) all the evidence from fellow Police Offices, who decided a trial for murder should take place. Now it is for a jury to decide.

[Mozz71]

//Lets wait for the jury decision, I predict not guilty.//

 

Isn't that what we're asking for? You were the one who got on their high horse that it was even going to trial.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - // Most if not all the witnesses to this incident were Police Officers on duty. It has been thoroughly investigated by the Independent Office for Police Conduct and it is them, after hearing (and possibly seeing) all the evidence from fellow Police Offices, who decided a trial for murder should take place. Now it is for a jury to decide. //

Not in TTT's world - The deceased was criminal scum who deserved to die, and the officer was an angel in human form who did us all a favour.

Any view that is even vaguely more nuanced than that is clearly from the mind of a derranged left-wing criminal loving ...(ctd. Page 94) moron who doesn't actually deserve oxygen either.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // 

//Lets wait for the jury decision, I predict not guilty.//

Isn't that what we're asking for? You were the one who got on their high horse that it was even going to trial. //

TTT is only interested in a trial if it goes the way he wants.

Anything else will be the product of left-leaning, lentil-steaming .... you get the idea - morons.

[Mozz71]

Andy, as the two decisions the jury can make are "not guilty" and "fixed", so we'll see I guess.

[THECORBYLOON]

It wasn't the IOPC who decided that a prosecution was appropriate.

They investigated what happened but then referred the case to the Crown Prosecution Service to consider whether there was sufficient evidence for a prosecution.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Andy, as the two decisions the jury can make are "not guilty" and "fixed", so we'll see I guess. //

We will indeed.

Perhaps TTT will be hoping that "The jury will now retire to consider their verdict of Not Guilty."

[Ellipsis]

I wonder how it'd go if TTT was on the jury in this trial ...

[Mozz71]

Ellipsis- Plod would get a medal.

[retrocop]

This incident is very similar va to one occuring in Castlenau Barnes nearly 30 years ago..PC fires through a known armed robbers windscreen who is driving at PC Patrick Hodgsonwho has blocked the suspects car outside an off licenceHodgson was out the car ,shouted 'Armed Police Stop' but perp continued to attempt to ram his way out. The suspect died later in Queen Mary's hospital Roehampton and PC P. Hodgson was acquitted of murder later at the CCC. Just saying.

[wolf63]

worse still -being on the jury with TTT😐

[Ellipsis]

> worse still -being on the jury with TTT

Did you see "The Jury: Murder Trial" on Channel 4 the other week?  I think it's still on All 4, and here:

Basically, one murder trial, a reconstruction of a real one, with actors playing everything except the jury. The jury is made up of real people.  And the twist is there are two juries, each hidden from the other, watching the exact same trial.  Will the two juries reach the same verdict?  Very good watching ...

[andy-hughes]

Retrocop - What does that case have to do with this case, or this discussion?

Tune in next week and read about how Mrs Miggins from Staines was let off for letting her pug poop on the pavement near her house.

[Ellipsis]

Sorry, here:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-jury-murder-trial

[Mozz71]

RC, and if that happens this time, no complaints. This isn't about whether he acted lawfully or not, it's about it going through the correct procedures to reach the decision.

[ToraToraTora]

15:38 "Retrocop - What does that case have to do with this case, or this discussion?" - everything it's almost identical.

[retrocop]

Sorry AH if my input offends or outrages . It was merely an observation that this recent incident was not the first of its kind and had uncanny similarities. Your pitiful sarcasm is nothing less than can be expected from you so as always you can be relied upon for snide unnecessary retorts.

[retrocop]

I can't do links on this IPhone but if one types 'PCPatrick Hodgson acquitted in Court' in a searchbox there is a full account of the incident which is almost identical. It is an Independent newspaper report.