Sunak -V- Starmer Tv Debate

[naomi24]

ITV tonight

 

Your thoughts?

[bednobs]

i watched about 5 minutes till they both started bringing out "my dad was a humble street sweeper who had one leg and hopped to work at 3 in the morning through the snow" and turned off

[naomi24]

Starmer was out of his depth - embarassingly so.  On the question of stopping the boats, Sunak promised flights to Rwanda will go in July.  Why not now, Mr Sunak?  If you're going to do it, show us you're going to do it.  Dangling the carrot is tantamount to taking the electorate for fools.

 

Neither man offers anything I can take seriously.

[DTCwordfan]

Both pretty bad..... 

makes me wonder if Rishi will join Balfour as adding to a very rare historical moment as in being a PM who loses his/her seat though he does have a substantial majority at the moment. t'will be interesting to see the next polling results.

[DTCwordfan]

According to Savanta, Labour is now 14 points ahead of the Conservatives – down from 17 at the start of this beano.

[Sinead_O]

Starmer looked like a robot caught in the headlights- he has absolutely no substance and we were no wiser as to what Labour's policy is on anything by the end of it.  An insight into how utterly useless he'd be as PM.

[New Judge]

My thoughts are that such events are an import from the USA and are a total waste of time.

[naomi24]

Oh, I don't know about a 'total' waste of time, NJ.  I think it was enlightening in its way.  I can't remember exactly how the question was phrased but when the pair were asked if they'd resort to private health care for a family member who needed urgent treatment amd couldn't get it on the NHS, Sunak said 'yes' - and Starmer said 'no'.  I simply do not believe him.

[New Judge]

Mr Starmer is either a liar or completely mad.

The problem is, he is unlikely ever to face such a dilemma. Once his relative's local NHS Trust gets to know who they are related to, strings will be pulled and they will be accelerated to the top of the list. Then Mr Starmer will proudly bleat that the NHS is "the envy of the world." 

Well it isn't. It's a complete and utter shambles and needs abolishing forthwith. Mrs NJ had a telephone appointment with a consultant this morning. The call never came. She tried to contact the consultant's secretary but "she doesn't work on Wednesdays." The alternative secretary in the same team to whom she was directed also has Wednesdays off. She managed to get hold of the consultant's team leader's office to be told "I don't know why you're ringing this number. What do you expect me to do? It will have to wait until tomorrow." 

Well it won't actually. For the second time this year, Mrs NJ sets off down the private medicine path - which Mr Starmer would do if he was in the same position.

Her consultant's secretary will get an irate call tomorrow from one of other of us which will no doubt "upset her" greatly as it did the last time she suffered a similar episode of ineptitude. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind. 

Meanwhile people continue to believe the NHS is the envy of the world - poor demented darlings.

[ynnafymmi]

Is it me,or am i the only one peeed off with this election already?July 4th cant come quick enough.Netflix ,or whatever channel is not showing all the lies from the politicians will have to do for me in the meantime.

[ToraToraTora]

I'd say it was very much like PMQs, Starmer got battered. Not just me, all the polls, papers etc agree Sunak won hands down. Rodders just could not deny or hide the fact he's going to slap us with a load of candle.

[Deskdiary]

Didn't watch the debate because they are a complete waste of time, and anybody who gets swayed by them probably shouldn't have a vote in the first place.

 

But I did hear the NHS/Private choice answer to the question on the radio this morning, and I also believe SKS lied.

 

Does he seriously expect the public to believe that if a close family member was in debilitating pain, that somebody worth millions wouldn't pay privately. He's a liar.

 

Let's take knee problems (and I'm using this example for personal reasons), this can be incredibly painful and can make you immobile. I had to go under the knife but fortunately I'm insured so it was done quickly. An uninsured friend of mine waited months to see a consultant and still doesn't have a date for surgery. And he seriously expects us to believe if he was in my friends position he'd wait months to have it sorted? If people do believe this, then their naivety is off the chart.

[gulliver1]

No doubt about it Sunak took a hammering from Starmer. And this is just a warm up to the Hammering Sunak and his Con MPs will take on the 4th July.

[Untitled]

starmer is obviously lying when he says he wouldn't use private healthcare lol. he just lies all the time and he isn't even good at it.

[ToraToraTora]

I have sympathy with all sides regarding the NHS. It cannot be fixed with the tinkerings that they propose and bicker about. It needs to be treated like a war and have cross party effort to fix it rather than using it for their political points. The NHS is in desparate need and throwing money at it will not help, it needs root and branch reform, a reboot if you like, start again. Either side should put aside their bickering and spinning and work together. It's one of the few things that Labour have ever done that was a very good thing for the country and the concept is still very good. It now needs more than one parliament to sort it out.

[Untitled]

i completely agree with you tora

[ToraToraTora]

15:48, if gulliver says Starmer won then even the lefties know he got slaughtered! PMSL!

[ToraToraTora]

15:54...I need a lie down! 😉

[naomi24]

Starmer was definitely out of his depth.  Sunak kept his cool but Starmer was visibly agitated.  He's a puppet but had no one behind him pulling his strings last night - and he floundered.  

[Untitled]

you know it seems that everyone agrees that the two big parties simply aren't up to the task of running this country. how refreshing it would be if we all just turned our backs on them.

[naomi24]

And that would lead us ... where?