ChatterBank1 min ago
Stonehenge Just Stop Oil
there point in vandalising an ancient monument is, let alone portraits buildings etc, if its to get media attention, then people are are not going to listen to there doomsday message let alone care, id bang them up.
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i do actually think there should be limits on how Taylor Swift uses her money yes. i would not Taylor Swift to acquire nuclear weapons purely because she could hypothetically afford it and i would want her to be told that if she was trying to do it. neither do I think the freedom to take a private jet across the world for a bit of cheesecake is a freedom that is worth respecting. by permitting these things we allow huge levels of pollution for no other reason than the convenience of an extremely small section of the population. if governments are not going to do anything then i have nothing but admiration for citizens who do.
oo-er - mod about- Gandhi ( some people know) refused to pay the tax on salt 1920s India, empire of. And then in court argued that since it was political, he should be given max slammer time
whereas greta defended the action on a technicality
( sort of connection of opposites: makes sense to me, contrasty stuff)
"Dressing up vandalism by giving it a title like 'direct action ' to attempt to dignify it, is the action of arrogant fools who simply want their own way."
how much activism have you done andy? when was the last time you stood up for something?
activists can and sometimes do make the world better, they sometimes do that by breaking the law and always have.
Untitled - You clearly fail to see that your posts align you with your vandal colleagues, peevish, jealous, small-minded, controlling, childish people who simply want their own way.
If you live in a house, drive a car, use a bus, wear clothes, watch television, or use a computer, you ate a rank hypocrite because they are all provided by the things you want to stop.
Go and have the courage of your convictions - switch off your computer and go and live in a cave.
"If you live in a house, drive a car, use a bus, wear clothes, watch television, or use a computer, you ate a rank hypocrite because they are all provided by the things you want to stop."
why? the existing state of society is that our economy is extremely reliant on fossil fuels, and the usage of individuals cannot really change that. what is hypocritical about campaigning to change that? structural change cannot be brought about by the behaviour of individuals.
It's not really a democracy though, is it?
'They' pretend to care about the hopes, wishes and dreams of the electorate for a few weeks every five years or so then renege on any promises made and do what benefits their own supporters while preparing for their own futures.
I don't know the alternative, maybe PR for co-operative dealings, but it ain't what we have now.
Of course a better class of mind in those who wish to lead would help too.
Untitled - // structural change cannot be brought about by the behaviour of individuals. //
Absolutely.
So Ms Swift, as an individual, can enjoy her private jet if she wishes.
And your individual, or two or three vandals, can stop destroying things to draw attention to themselves as well, since, by your own words, they are not effective.
Democracy has served us pretty well, why don't JSO campaign for Parliament if they are so sure they are right and just?
If the majority agree, they will be elected, and can influence power at its heart, instead of fannying about breaking things for no good whatsoever.
If everyone agrees with the chanages you want, you will get them.
But on the evidence so far, you are on a hiding to nothing.
And if your 'direct protest' fails, which it has, and will, what next?
Are you going to escalate your protests futher?
Flying planes into office blocks is more 'direct' than your milksops could dream of, and it's had a similar effect - an escalated hatred of anyone even vaguely connected to the psychopaths who carried it out.
You really haven't thought this through have you, but then, as a keyboard warrior, sitting in front of your computer, you don't need to.
I asked for the thinking behind these bvehaviours, you have supplied it.
There is nothing more to be discussed.
if taylor swift was the only person in the world who used a private jet then i would agree. but private jet users are responsible for 14 times more greenhouse gas emissions than the average person and can very easily choose not to do that. it is irresponsible and obscene. a normal person does not really have a choice about whether or not to participate in a fossil fueled economy - and it is exactly that dependency which is a serious problem. going and living in a cave as you put it won't do anything. activism has a chance of pressuring the high-emission part of society and also governments into changing.
