Reform Have Handed No 10 To Labour.....

[ToraToraTora]

3/4 of the Lab gains from Con were down to reform. The latest just in was Poole, Labour by 18 votes, over 7000 reform voters elected Labour. This has happened in 3/4 of the Labour gains.

"Vote reform - get Labour" - it seems was bang on.

[Gromit]

So nothing at all to do with the shambles in Government over the last 5 years then 😀

[Gromit]

TTT.  
Will you still be lauding Mr Farage as the most successful British politician, ever? 🤣

[ToraToraTora]

look at the data gromit.

1) low turnout

2) Labour only 2 points better than 2029

3) 75% of Labour gains from cons approx 150, because of reform

4) 39 gains from SNP

so take 189 off labour and it's a wiin for the Tories.

People voted for reform because the tories were not tory enough but sadly that seems to have handed the result to Labour.

[nomorewars]

Tories did nothing for illegal immigration, housing, taking care of our armed forces and veterans, homelessness of our own country men, jobs etc etc etc.... We need reform in uk sadly Labour the UK will be a hopeless place to live, i pity our needy and i fear for our children's future i really do. Star er is a WEF globalist puppet, the WEF should be done away with... The world's a very unsafe terrifying place to live now!! 

[ToraToraTora]

10:22, yes of course, because he is, he achieved his ultimate goal without ever entering parliament.

I am merely analysing why Labour won arithmetically. I have a lot of sympathy with reform voters, they must have meant to punish the TINOs, they knew what they were doing. Now perhaps the Tories can get back to being proper Tories again without all the Trobiscite cobras.

I am in many ways pleased for Labour it's good that we be reminded again why Labour have been in power for only 24 years out of the 124 years they have existed. I fear for the young Labour voters who are about to get what they wished for.

[gulliver1]

Anyone Know when the first PMQs will take place. Can't wait to see the faces on the opposition Benches. Especially Hunt.

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[ToraToraTora]

It's gulliver I really feel for, what's he going to post about now?

[vulcan42]

gulliver will continue to blame the Tories, it's what he does best and is ideally suited for this site. He loves controversy and it helps the site to keep going.

[davebro3]

Yes - obviously. Years of Labour screw-ups will be excused as "it's all due to the Tory legacy, boo hoo!"

[gulliver1]

10.23 TTT  "Labour only 2 points better than 2029" Eh!

[Clone]

Stop making excuses. Conservatives were the architects of their own downfall. Even without Reform, Labour would have beaten the Cons.

 

[gulliver1]

So according to TTT @ 10.23 The Tories have just won the 2024 election.lol . Have I got news for you TTT. They lost. Big time. And Labour won with a huge majority and they can do whatever they want.😎Enjoy😎

[tomus42]

The Tories have handed no.10 to Labour.

If they hadn't been so useless of late their supporters would have had no reason to think about voting Reform.

[naomi24]

The Tories are responsible for their downfall.  

[Old_Geezer]

No, the Conservatives have handedNo. 10 to Labour. They did that without any help from any other party.

 

Plus of course, had they stood down, it's possible Labour may not have won overall.  Most voters wanted change so... "Vote Tory - get Labour" - seems bang on.

[Ken4155]

Without the shambolic, unstable nature of how the Conservative government have performed over the last few years, Reform would never have got off the ground. Changing leaders every time the wind alters direction doesn't instil confidence. Quite the reverse.

[vulcan42]

Don't forget, we've been all through this before when Labour were so useless that the Tories won easily. It's how the political system in this country works, Labour will now spend billions undoing what the previous government did, as will the Tories  when they return. We don't go forward as a country we stagger from side to side, wasting billions just to prove the other political party is wrong.

[ToraToraTora]

Of course it's the TINOs doing, I am just saying that arithmetically it can be put down to reform. Yes the TINOs drove the voters into their arms.

[New Judge]

"People voted for reform because the tories were not tory enough but sadly that seems to have handed the result to Labour."

That may be true, Tora. But you cannot blame Reform voters for that. Ken has hit the nail on the head:

"Without the shambolic, unstable nature of how the Conservative government have performed over the last few years, Reform would never have got off the ground."

This latest episode is but another similar to the time of the Coalition. Nobody listened to the electorate. The Tories had adequate time to listen and an 80 seat majority to act on what they heard. To examine just one major issue alone - immigration - they failed miserably.

I'm not talking about the boats or asylum, but about legal migration. This was entirely within the government's control. There was nothing to stop them limiting legal migration. Instead they allowed literally millions of people to settle here, many on them for the flimsiest of reasons.

There was absolutely no sign that this would end. Voters should not be exepected to vote time and again for a party which so clearly ignores its core voters.

Whoever the Tory defectors voted for, be it Labour or Reform, they didn not vote Conservative and that's all that matters. If Reform had not been on the ballot paper they may equally well have voted LibDem.

I am a lifelong Tory voter. I've never voted for any other party in any election at any level. I did the same yesterday with a peg on my nose. It grieved me to do so but the most likely winner in my constituency (other than Tory) was the LibDem candidate and in many respects that is a worse outcome for me than a Labour win (especially bearing in mind their views on EU membership). Thankfully the Tories held my seat with  much reduced majority of 5,000. Their share of the vote was down almost 25%. But this share loss was only partly gained by Reform (18%).Labour gained 7% and tthe LibDems 3%. 

It's too simplistic to say that Reform cost the Tories the election. Younger Tory voters who have seen vast sums of their taxes squandered in providing for people who have no real reason to be here will be looking for change. People in their 30s and early 40s simply don't know what a Labour government will do to them. It's not their fault. They will have been subject to incessant left wing bias throughout their education which has told them that the Tories are Devils incarnate. They cannot be blamed for giving Labour a shot because, due to their lack of experience and biased education, many will truly believe, "they can't be much worse." 

They will soon find out that they can, but that's for another day.

[youngmafbog]

Nope, 100% the fault of the TINO's.

If Reform were not there I still would not have voted Tory, I would have spoiled my ballot paper.  I know others who have done exactly that.