Labour On The Skids Already.

[davebro3]

//No government has ever dropped so sharply in the polls. //

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1949831/Starmer-Labour-winter-fuel-prisons

[1ozzy]

🥱 No link have I ever clicked on has delivered so many advertisements. 

Do you get a kickback Dave?

[ToraToraTora]

Stop it, I'm welling up ere!

[curlyfries81]

I wonder how the fools who voted for them now feel?

Labour will never get in again after this term and I for one can't wait to say, "Good riddance!" 

[ToraToraTora]

Yep I suppose those that voted for them had no idea what real Labour were like. Now they have 5 years of pain to get through but it will serve to stop them getting in again for another half century.

[Hymie]

If the Daily Express is to be believed, people have a very short memory of how bad the last 14 years were under the corrupt/incompetent Tories – as I have said, Labour have a very, very, very, very long way to go to match that.

[davebro3]

This is reported in many papers - I put the Express cos there was no paywall (I think).

This time next year you'll be saying - "The Tories weren't all that bad really"!🤣

[ToraToraTora]

Can you imagine the outpouring of rage and anger if the tories had suggested ending the WFA?

[Hymie]

TTT will be shocked to the core; in their 2017 manifesto, one political party was proposing means testing the Winter Fuel Payments (see the top of page 68 of the attached manifesto).

 

https://general-election-2010.co.uk/2017-general-election-manifestos/conservative-manifesto-2017.pdf

[naomi24]

TTT won't be shocked.  We all know they considered it - but they didn't do it.

[jackthehat]

Labour haven't means-tested ithe WFA - they have withdrawn it.

Two very different things.

Labour gained power on a 'negative' vote not a 'positive' one.

If more people could have remembered what life is like under a Labour government, they would never have won at the ballot box.

[Hymie]

TTT posted //Can you imagine the outpouring of rage and anger if the tories had suggested ending the WFA?//

 

Which they did – I don’t recall any outpouring of rage and anger (even from TTT).

[naomi24]

No reason for rage and anger, hymie.  They didn't do it. 

[davebro3]

Musta took you a fair bit of detective work to find that Hymie - no wonder there was no outcry, no one noticed it!

[ToraToraTora]

10:57 I won't be shocked because I agree with means testing it. I just want the cuttoff higher so that pensioners who have saved for a meagre pension on top of their state pension are not chopped off at the knees.

[Hymie]

//Musta took you a fair bit of detective work to find that Hymie - no wonder there was no outcry, no one noticed it!//

 

No, it was in their publically published manifesto – which is word-searchable; it must have taken me all of less than 5 minutes.

[davebro3]

oh yeah - I wordsearch party manifestoes almost daily!🤣

[THECORBYLOON]

JACK, "Labour haven't means-tested w WFA - they have withdrawn it."

The WFP is means-tested since those qualifying for Pension Credit will receive it still.

[Hymie]

I only needed to check the Tories 2019 & 2017 manifestos to highlight the Tory hypocrisy – I knew that they had suggested this (means test WFP) in the past.

 

It would not surprise me if it was in earlier Tory manifestos, if you care to look.

[New Judge]

"TTT will be shocked to the core; in their 2017 manifesto, one political party was proposing means testing the Winter Fuel Payments (see the top of page 68 of the attached manifesto)."

And similarly look here:

https://labour.org.uk/change/

No sign, so far as I can see, of any proposals to cut WFA for anybody.

So two clear illustrations showing why it is wise to follow my philosophy - don't base your vote on anything a politician tells you. You will almost always be disappointed.

One manifesto suggesting they mightt do something but didn't. Another not mentioning anything about doing someting but they did (on a very tenuous pretext and one that doesn't even make sense).