Looks Like Starmer Has Bottled It....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1966883/Smoking-Starmer-Labour-ban-pub-smoking

pity I was looking forward to being able to sit outside at pubs again.

[Tilly2]

Come to our local pub. It has an outside smoking area, far away from the other no smoking seating area.

[nicebloke1]

Good call when pubs have had to spend time and money getting planning permission for outside seating, and the cost of landscapping / seating and roof covers. Many businesses would have gone bust. AND AGAIN outside smoking does not harm anyone, well at least no more than car fumes.

[ToraToraTora]

nicebloke: "AND AGAIN outside smoking does not harm anyone, well at least no more than car fumes."

AND AGAIN I don't care if it's harmless I don't want to smell and breath the aeriel detritus of the sad addicts.

[nicebloke1]

But its ok to breath and smell 20 ton lorries and hundreds of cars passing the pub,strange that? Sadly this time round your wishes are not going to be granted

[newmodarmy]

This thread is about smoking.

You can do a separate one about petrol fumes, nicebloke1. But bear in mind cars have to drive on the road. Smokers can smoke in their own homes or on a  riverbank or while walking, but they don't have to smoke in pub gardens  (just as we accept they shouldn't smoke in in pubs or shops or work places or hospitals.

Outdoor smoking in beer gardens isn't something that's bothered me, but on a recent holiday abroad there were lots of locals smoking in rstaurants. bars outside and because the tables were so close it was horrible- we had to keep moving tables.

[nicebloke1]

Cars smoke.

[nicebloke1]

Its law that smokers can smoke outside end of. Moan all you like.

[youngmafbog]

If a car smokes it fails its MOT.

I see where you are coming from TTT but to be fair was it a step too far from the nanny state?

On the other hand Sir flip-flop strikes again.

[douglas9401]

"pity I was looking forward to being able to sit outside at pubs again."

No problem, yer barred!

[youngmafbog]

I got barred from a pub once but they were ok for me to sit in the garden!

[gulliver1]

I agree with Mr Nicebloke  I am not a smoker but I object to the smell and fumes from lorries .Especially when the dumbo driver is unloading and leave the engine running.

[gulliver1]

Gone are the days of sitting outside pub smoking in the UK. It never stops raining from what I hear.

[ynnafymmi]

Not like you being in favour of the Nanny State,3T.Are you feeling alright?

[nicebloke1]

You also get a lot of diesel taxis pulling up outside pubs or on the carpark where the outdoor tables are pumping out smoke, again leaving the engines running. especially when they are waiting for someone to come out the pub, its an awful smell.

[gulliver1]

11,24 Nothing worse than sitting outside a bar with a diesel vehicle  reversed your way and pumping out those fumes.

[Old_Geezer]

Sad news. But thinking about it, there was little chance of them doing the right thing when past change has apparently made the pub industry near unprofitable. What they ought to do is to investigate what the real issues are, get that corrected, and then go ahead with further smoking restrictions.

 

It was never a good alternative to allow smoking in the pub garden thus ensuring non-smokers felt a need to self ban themselves from outside.

[Old_Geezer]

Pub gardens tend to be at the back, away from the road.  It's simply irritating nonsense to try to make a comparison.

[douglas9401]

A couple of posts from decades ago when diesel emissions did stink the place up.

Remarkable.

[nicebloke1]

Most pubs I'v seen OG have a car park that is surounded by grass land, the grass land normally ends up being the place for the tables. Smoking out side vape or otherwise is not an hazzard to other people even most of the powers that be agree on that, hence the change of mind, not to mention many pubs would close down. 

[youngmafbog]

//I agree with Mr Nicebloke  //

Well b&&&r me!