Fair Blair

[brionon]

Mr. Blair said in Parliament recently that the biggest Terrorist attack was that against the Two Towers.

My question--Has he forgotten Hiroshima? Or The Midianites wiped out ,Man Woman and Child by Moses on the orders of his{Tony's} God?

[Loosehead]

Hey Gary, I've got a Lexicon? With you? I'm honoured, its it online anywhere?

[qapmoc]

Hi loosehead, read what I said to jake-the-peg, look and think before making comments, I tell you as straight as I can, that as an engineer the towers falling down just does not add up technically and it just cannot have happened the way somebody made it appear to be.
I have spent literally days and weeks examining stuff about this and thinking through many aspects before I started to finally accept that the official line is suspect, how many hours have you spent thinking about this subject?
The reason it matters to me is this - If people in positions of power in the US are prepared to kill thousands of their own people just to get an excuse to go into Iraq for the Oil then what are they prepared to do to other countries who stand in their way ??? and don't forget that the US has more and bigger bombs than anybody else in the world at this time.

[Loosehead]

You accept they where airliners right? Not small planes? I only ask because I saw one hit live on TV I wondered how the CIA managed to fake that one.

The British Horizon program showed how the towers collapsed, backed up by serious engineers.

Anyway ther's no pont in raking over all the so called "anomolies" again.

I have studied it and not one single shred of the conspiracy thoerist evidence adds up.

I just don't know where you guys get off I mean ok you hate the west you hate bush you hate what it stands for and the islamic nutters would be our mates if we just gave in to them. But do you really think the US staged this on it's own soil so it could introduce some sort of police state in the name of security?

[GruntFuttock]

noxlumos-please read brionon's statement more carefully:--'by Moses on the orders of his(Tony's) God.

My point is that the smite 'em God of Moses is not the same God waiting in judgement on Tony Blair.(There's a Trinity involved somewhere as well,which I don't recall in the O.T.

Also,don't you think that some Christians may find your description of their God as nothing more than a 'tree hugging social worker' quite offensive.

Would you pass the same,perjorative remarks about Allah?

[GruntFuttock]

Hi qapmoc--The Flat Earth Society is currently looking for new members,as you appear to fit the bill,why don't you apply?

[lightoftruth]

World war 2 ideology was terroist in itself. the british government itself said ig you bomb a factory it will take 18 days to build a new one but if you bomb a factory worker it will take 18 years to replace

[Dom Tuk]

Loosehead maybe you ought to read my post again. I did not resort to name calling. I am very careful not to resort to name calling on this site as i dont like it if someone calls me names and i suspect vice versa. If you see your first post on this thread you call the poser of this question stupid.

[Loosehead]

"(of course not of your pursuasion and hence stupid)"

Looks like calling me "stupid" to me.

I called the questioner stupid because it is obviously a loaded question, including a view in the question itself, designed to anger in advance of debate and demonstrating ingnorance of the subject to boot. It also demonstrates one of the things I hate most, that is the hatred of our own society by those who use it's protection and values in order to hate. Those who cannot see that paradox do need to be enlighted as to how stupid they make themselves look.

[qapmoc]

Thanks GruntFuttock, I would think that I am more difficult to convince than you might want to believe, I can tell you for sure that it takes a LOT to make me accept something which goes against normal accepted history, but anyway its not really my problem if you and others want to continue to live in a fantasy world where everything is as the media paints it.

Loosehead, you know, I don't often let biased people get to me on this site but your comments get quite close, who mentioned the west and bush and muslims etc.. except you. I never mentioned any conspiracy theory, I don't really care who did it but I still say that the evidence if you want to accept it, shows that the towers did not just fall down. And your last point, there seem to be many Americans who are starting to believe just that.

[Dom Tuk]

Loosehead...you misread. I said (not of your persuasion hence stupid) meaning by your response anyone who does not agree with you is stupid (recall your first answer). After all most of what you say is your opinion on the matter and others do not share it. You will have to live with it.

[Loosehead]

Ok Sorry Dom, misunderstanding.

[jump79]

As horrific and devastating as the 9/11 terrorist attack was, and probably the biggest one in United States, (i'm not sure if it spans as the biggest in the whole world), I think the war in Iraq would make another good example of a 'terrorist' attack that went too far.
I know many people will disagree with me, but I have always felt the Iraq war was completely unjustified with no sound basis(and those who think USA went there to simply spread democracy, peace and freedom need to take off their rose-tinted glasses and think again).

There were no WMD's, the UN was against this war as was the rest of the world in the first place. Is it ok to call it a war and not a terrorist attack just because USA labelled it as a 'War on Terror'? As bad as Saddam and the situation in Iraq was, I don't see how going to war against Iraq has made the world a better place... if anything, it has undermined USA's credibility in the eyes of the world.

[noxlumos]

Gruntfuttock... You don't appear to understand things very clearly so I won't labour the point, but yes the Old Testament God is the same entity as the New Testament one and if you are religious the same one presiding over heaven and hell to either Moses or Tony Blair.By the way I am a Roman Catholic whose married to a Jewess and we both have the same considered opinion about the God of the Old Testament being the same as the one in the New and I don't think "tree hugging social worker" is offensive in the context it was used in.Try checking out some good sites on religion to better understand the principles I'm referring to with the old and new testaments then come back to me.

[Kathyan]

qapmoc, for what it's worth I'm with you on the twin towers theory!

[Gef]

qapmoc, I saw the towers fall down. I saw them hit by aeroplanes. What did you see?

[qapmoc]

Hi Gef, well if you look at the published video clips you see the towers fall down, but if you hunt around the net you will find clips the mainstream media has never published which show for instance smaller explosions which take place as the towers fall down but at lower levels than the actual falling debris shown here, if you read transcripts of firefighters radio exchanges they tell of explosion's taking place at low levels in the towers, If you look on this site you might see evidence that the plane which hit the second tower appears to be not a normal civil aircraft, it has unusual pods attached to the fuselage, If you think the pentagon was hit by a civil aircraft then read here and then try to find the aircraft debris, or read this for a news report direct from the Washington Times website about a government official stating the ''bogus'' nature of the 911 events.

If you are really interested then try to get or download copies of the videos documentry's - 911 loose change or 911 in plane sight.

[SarCaustic]

Previous posts all very interesting. It seems some people here are justifying terrorism under the official label of war
"A 'terrorist' is just a bomber without an airforce"
Hiroshima was an act of terrorism. I don't care if it led to the Japanese surrender, the means does not justify the end.

[Loosehead]

So the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon was somehow hidden and all the people on it murdered and disposed of? Presumably they had to shoot it down somewhere else where no one would notice and then hide all the debris and obviously they got the pilot to cooperate!

Have you seen the video of the test where they fly a plan into a concrete reactor building to test what would happen if a plane hits it? The plane is on Rails and is "flown" head on into a concrete wall at 400+ mph. When you watch it the plane appears to fly right through the wall and "disappear" what actually happened when analysed was that the plane was almost atomised, the biggest part they found was no bigger than a match box, there was a small hole in the wall. Ring any bells?

I know you earnestly believe this Qapmoc but get real we moan our governement can't organise a pi55 up in a brewery do you think they are up to organising something like this? yes there are some conundrums but there is bound to be a simple explanation. Like the so called small explosions, they where explained very thoroughly in the horizon program.

Believe what you like but you are an intelligent guy just take away the evidence for a minute and try and come up with simply: why?

[searchme]

Loosehead- why are you making the assumption that he is an intelligent guy?

You're bangin' your head against the proverbial my friend-he won't believe it because he doesn't want to believe it.

[searchme]

SarCaustic-they've let you out again have they?

Is it just for the weekend?