no insurance

[joseph78]

hi my son 17 years old,has got a full bike license,which he's just recently passed.but still on car provistinal status,he got pulled in the car for no insurance and no L plates,(i was with him at the time)and the police officer gave him a producer we went in the police station and he said were are reporting you for no insurance,driving in accordance with license,will this =6 points-No insurance and driving in accordance....=3 points, 9 points in total and a ban?or just 6 points for no insurance and he needs his bike license is there any hope that it could not get revoked? i have asked this question before but i hav'nt clearly understood,and my son is very very upset because he is going to lose his bike license.but once this process is through i am sure that he wont get done for no insurance again! please let me know

[Toureman]

All I can say is your son was lucky he got caught before he killed someone.

Not many people have much sympathy for uninsured drivers!

[JudgeJ]

Sorry you did not understand the answer I provided to your earlier question. Your latest raises a couple of different points.

When a number of driving offences are committed at the same time the driver�s licence is endorsed with them all but points are only awarded for the most serious. In your son�s case this will be the No Insurance offence and the minimum number of points for this offence is six. If this occurs it will lead to automatic revocation of his full bike licence as he will have accumulated six points within two years of passing his first driving test. The court cannot award less than six points for this offence. Nor has it any discretion over the licence revocation as this is applied by the DVLA when they are notified of the imposition of the points.

As I said in my earlier answer, the only alternative is to ask the court exceptionally to impose a short disqualification for No Insurance instead of awarding points. As I also said, however, this request is unlikely to be successful. The idea of the new driver licence revocation arrangement is to encourage new drivers to stay clean in the first years of their driving, when, statistically, they are most likely to commit offences. Magistrates are not encouraged to allow this scheme to be circumvented in the way I have described.

Please let me know if you need any other info.

[NORMANTHEDOG]

it serves you right,you should both be banned for 5 yrs each,dont expect any sympathy on here my friend,cos you wont get it.

[ugly_bob]

what were you thinking letting him drive with no insurance and no l-plates? why didn't you just drive?

[BillyNoMates]

Yet another person who I subsidise through my inflated motor insurance premiums.

I would personally like to see all the funds from speed cameras, that everyone likes to moan about, ploughed back into more APNR cameras.

[ugly_bob]

excuse my ignorance, but what's an APNR camera? Does it find people with no tax/insurance? If so, I'm all for that too.

[NORMANTHEDOG]

number plate reconiser camera,or something like that they have in police cars,it tells them if the car is taxed,mot,insurer etc,etc.

[BillyNoMates]

ANPR - Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

As I understand it, it was a relatively new technology a few years ago. Used to be a whole suite of equipment in the back of a transit sized van. Camera poking out the back or on the top reading number plates.

That could then link to the DVLA database, the MIB database to check for banned drivers, uninsured drivers etc. I believe it could read 3000 per hour.

I have seen the more recent version which can work in the back of a smaller vehicle, marked as a Police vehicle or not.

I've seen them in use on motorways and main roads.

It is proven technology and has helped the Police net many wanted criminals as the link between blatantly driving an untaxed or uninsured vehicle and other crime is fairly strong.

Hopefully when the MOT database is fully up and running that will also be checked.

It is expensive equipment but most Police forces have at least one ANPR equipped vehicle now. Of course the manpower to operate it requires an operator, and one or two patrols to stop the motorist further down the road.

Just my understanding of the system. Corrections and additions welcome.

[JudgeJ]

The link to the MoT test data and the Motor Insurers' data is now up and running. You can tax your car on line without the need to produce paper documents anywhere - checks are made on line to see that you have valid Insurance and MoT.

[BillyNoMates]

Thank you JudgeJ - I knew the MOT system has had its teething problems as with many of the Government backed IT systems.

I was surprised not to have received an electronic MOT at the end of last year. But that's another thread I suspect.