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Sorry then Champagneman, but could you explain to me how your last statement ISN'T racist? It's laden with untrue National Frontesque stereotypes which if they do exist, exist in a tiny minority. Immigrant work ethics are very high, if they are on benefits to begin with they don't stay on them very long. Point in case, chap who owns the corner shop in the nearby village, came here in 1960's with �15 and the promise of a job as a cleaner now owns 7 shops in and around the area and employs about 20 people.Tell me how that is bad for the economy, without resorting if you can to calling all immigrants names, and citing some checkable facts?
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That's right I don't object to large numbder of immigrants coming into the country tonyted, because we actually NEED large numbers of immigrants. It's a social and economic fact and a very well known one, so well known that I'm at a loss as to why there is all this hysteria about immigration in the first place.
Correction.........we don't NEED immigrants if this Country would wake up and educate it's children properly to fill the vacancies. The UK was quite capable of this years ago and was the powerhouse of the world....engineers, scientists etc etc educated here.
Why the hysteria you say? Because you and I just wait longer and longer and longer for doctor's and NHS appointments and it costs taxpayers money which could be better spent.
Why the hysteria you say? Because you and I just wait longer and longer and longer for doctor's and NHS appointments and it costs taxpayers money which could be better spent.
Correction Dassie we DO NEED immigrants, you obviously don't know why so I'll tell you. Britain is an ageing society, that is we do not have enough babies being born to facilitate the continuance of the NHS etc when weighed against the vast ageing population. If we have no immigrants, there will not be enough people, or enough tax from these people to keep things that, I think, are precious to most British people afloat like the NHS, DSS etc. It's a simple numbers thing, nothing to do with ethnicity or anything else, just purely and simply an economic truth.
Nox is correct about the aging population question.
The problem that we're going to have over the next few decades is that people simply aren't having enough kids...we need loads of young people to care for the baby boom generation who will be retiring over the next couple of decades.
Not only is the population aging, but because of better medical care and healthier lifestyles, older people are living longer (just think how much longer you'll be able to enjoy the cmpany of your mother/father-in-law!)
So we need immigrant to pump money into the economy...not necessarily through tax (many of them work for wages below the tax level) but for NI contributions...an also, to pump money into the economy (they still have to buy food, petrol, services...etc etc).
The problem that we're going to have over the next few decades is that people simply aren't having enough kids...we need loads of young people to care for the baby boom generation who will be retiring over the next couple of decades.
Not only is the population aging, but because of better medical care and healthier lifestyles, older people are living longer (just think how much longer you'll be able to enjoy the cmpany of your mother/father-in-law!)
So we need immigrant to pump money into the economy...not necessarily through tax (many of them work for wages below the tax level) but for NI contributions...an also, to pump money into the economy (they still have to buy food, petrol, services...etc etc).
The Indian/ pakistani population work pretty much excusively in cash busniess like food take aways, or restaurants, or cash and carry shops like quickie marts where you buy for cash and you sell for cash, these people have never paid a penny in taxes and never will.
The reason that the moron Blair is telling us that we should never retire is because we should work to keep two hundred and fifty thousand immigrants a year
The reason that the moron Blair is telling us that we should never retire is because we should work to keep two hundred and fifty thousand immigrants a year
Kev
What you are saying is absolutely, completely and magnificently untrue.
Are you really trying to say that all the indian restautants you've been to pay no taxes?
No business taxes?
Perhaps they steal all the ingredient they use in their curries too...perhaps in the middle of the night, when they close up, they roam from town to town, stealing babies.
C'mon...!
Stop trying to make out that all immigrants who come here are fundamentally dishonest,
One the one hand, I read about all the immigrants 'takign our jobs', but whoah...when you see them operating successful businesses, "they don't pay any tax and never will".
D*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't.
What you are saying is absolutely, completely and magnificently untrue.
Are you really trying to say that all the indian restautants you've been to pay no taxes?
No business taxes?
Perhaps they steal all the ingredient they use in their curries too...perhaps in the middle of the night, when they close up, they roam from town to town, stealing babies.
C'mon...!
Stop trying to make out that all immigrants who come here are fundamentally dishonest,
One the one hand, I read about all the immigrants 'takign our jobs', but whoah...when you see them operating successful businesses, "they don't pay any tax and never will".
D*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't.
What I would like to ask all those that support the influx of more and more people into this country is for them to provide independent figures (with no left-wing slant) to prove that we are better off than we were before our borders were opened up to all and sundry. Have we not the right to ask for our country back, just as those of the Empire, who fought and got their countries back. Human beings are a tribal species and it is for this reason that the utopian dream of multi-racialism just does not work.
We are forever given the usual excuses, i.e. we need immigrants to fill those jobs that the indigenous population refuse to do (we are never told what these jobs are or the percentages of unemployment amongst the various groups),
They bring into this country a rich diversity of cultures (we all know the problems this has caused),
Britain is an aging society, (what does this mean, do we age quicker than others, are we in danger of becoming extinct)?
We are not producing enough children to make up the numbers, surely in one way this is better than producing large numbers of children, with all the problems that this causes, one only has to look at Africa or India for example.
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We are forever given the usual excuses, i.e. we need immigrants to fill those jobs that the indigenous population refuse to do (we are never told what these jobs are or the percentages of unemployment amongst the various groups),
They bring into this country a rich diversity of cultures (we all know the problems this has caused),
Britain is an aging society, (what does this mean, do we age quicker than others, are we in danger of becoming extinct)?
We are not producing enough children to make up the numbers, surely in one way this is better than producing large numbers of children, with all the problems that this causes, one only has to look at Africa or India for example.
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On the debit side of unlimited immigration, we have to look at the demise of the N.H.S. How many of us can no longer get free dental care, free spectacles, or get our own doctor to pay out of hours visits? All these we got when the N.H.S. was launched back in 1948, this was when the population wasn�t anywhere the numbers it is now, and the influx of Immigrants had not begun.
We also have a shortage of affordable housing, inadequate education for our own children, a drug problem along with increased crime figures, and we are told a serious shortage of water in some areas of the country. Many more examples could be added to the debit side of un-limited immigration.
Make no mistake, un-limited immigration does no one any good, except of course the immigrants who are here primarily to better their and their families lifestyle, (and who can blame them) the industrialists/ big business who want to cash in on a source unlimited cheap labour, and of course the politicians who vie for their vote. Strange isn�t it that their isn�t much of a problem with immigrants, in the leafy glades where they live.
But in some ways one of the more positive sides of immigration, is the excellent Doctors, Nurses, and Dentists etc etc. that have come to work in this country. But it can be said that there is also a negative side to them coming here, and that is these professionals are being drawn from their own countries where they are also badly needed. Britain must make immigration work not only for the indigenous population but also it has to work for the country. This can only be achieved by controlling the amount of immigrants/refugees coming into this country, and learning from those other countries that have their immigration under control and don�t seem to have the problems that we have.
We also have a shortage of affordable housing, inadequate education for our own children, a drug problem along with increased crime figures, and we are told a serious shortage of water in some areas of the country. Many more examples could be added to the debit side of un-limited immigration.
Make no mistake, un-limited immigration does no one any good, except of course the immigrants who are here primarily to better their and their families lifestyle, (and who can blame them) the industrialists/ big business who want to cash in on a source unlimited cheap labour, and of course the politicians who vie for their vote. Strange isn�t it that their isn�t much of a problem with immigrants, in the leafy glades where they live.
But in some ways one of the more positive sides of immigration, is the excellent Doctors, Nurses, and Dentists etc etc. that have come to work in this country. But it can be said that there is also a negative side to them coming here, and that is these professionals are being drawn from their own countries where they are also badly needed. Britain must make immigration work not only for the indigenous population but also it has to work for the country. This can only be achieved by controlling the amount of immigrants/refugees coming into this country, and learning from those other countries that have their immigration under control and don�t seem to have the problems that we have.
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