smoking ban - public places

[lithuanian]

how is a public place defined? surely the streets, parks etc are public places, does this mean the only place you can smoke is at home?

[Loosehead]

The ban applies to enclosed places where people are employed. It does not refer to public places entirely.

[LazyGun]

Mind you, that might change too.... sure I heard somewhere something about a local council (Westminster maybe?), applying to make smoking in the street an offence.

[dayoff]

if its the same as scotland its any puplic enclosed space even bus shelters if it has three sides so your home wont count any work place including trucks and taxis are included hope this helps

[Bazile]

Consider this .... Will you be able to smoke in your home if you have workmen / tradesmen there ?

Afterall , your home then becomes their place of work .
Interesting one , isn't it ?

[Ethel]

Some health workers are already refusing to work in a person's home if there is anyone smoking while they are there.

And why should they go to the next house stinking of cigarette smoke?

[Scotman84]

Our local council ask workmen if they are willing to carry out repairs in peoples homes if they are smokers - and they are entitled to refuse! Also, if a council employee is using his/her OWN private vehicle on council business they are not allowed to smoke in it......... !

[curiosity]

The NHS new smoking policy is being rolled out across the trusts nationwide, from January 07 ours which is a mental health trust, says that nurses must ask patients to not smoke in their own homes while they are on a visit. There is no smoking (patients or staff) on trust land not even in your own car whilst on Trust land. Managers must support staff in smoking cessation and also ensure staff safety (adequate lighting etc) for those who continue to smoke off site. This effectively means that some of our staff will be walking for 10 minutes into a fairly undesirable area, ripe with Asbos and council lighting, how on earth is a manager going to ensure safety? And what of patients detainable under the Mental Health Act? do staff refuse to assess them if they are smoking in their prescence? I think it should be back to the drawing board with some of these generic bans.

[~admarlow~]

I thought the rule was an enclosed public space?

[rhona_j]

I understood it that if say an elderly person had a Home Help coming in to the house, if they were a smoker they would have to ensure they didn't smoke for thirty minutes before they arrived to ensure the Home Help didn't arrive into a smoke filled room.

[Loosehead]

now read this very carefully admarlow:

The smoking ban applies to any enclosed place where someone works.

Get it? The word public is not mentioned.

To the real admarlow: I realise this plonker in green is an imposter, you would not be so dense

[bustergutt]

The Government has banned smoking, no doubt they will try to ban drinking, ban you eating certain food, ban ban ban. Our personal freedom and enjoyment is being taken away from us because the Government are concerned for our health!!!
The same Government that allows murderers to walk the streets free to re-offend while tagged! what about our health now?

Besides, there is one quick fix for our enjoyment and the National Health Service, we all put aside our fixation for free health treatment and we all, I mean all, pay into a scheme that`s Government run, where as we all get treatment when needed.

You pay weekly, it would be added to an account, if you need medical help and were up to date with payments you would get help, if you hadn`t paid you get turned away. You would not even have to pay much, the total population of britain 60 million, �2.00 per person! equals �120 million per week into a revamped health service. Problem solved.

[LazyGun]

One or two problems with your maths there buster.
1.Although the pop of UK is approx 60 million, a fair number of those are children and pensioners etc... would you expect each of those individuals to pay? The number of working adults is closer to 25 million (I think i read that somewhere)

2. �120 million a week would add up to around �6 billion a year or thereabouts, unless my math is way out. The total NHS budget allocation for 2007 was around �135 billion.

All things being equal. it seems to me that an NHS funded via taxation is far more effective than the scheme you are suggesting.

[kev100]

I'm an old timer, I paid �400 for a suit and after wearing it once I had to have it cleaned to get rid of the cigarette smoke smell. Who should pay me the �20? all I did was go into a pub

[bustergutt]

lazygun,
My calculations on population and payment are right, I would pay for my children, what is �2.00 these days? children get that daily. Also old age pensioners could afford it anyway. It`s only the cost of 10 cigarettes or a game of bingo a week!
Maybe it`s less than the goverment budget but it could help.
Going off the point a little, but I would certainly pay if I could get treated within weeks of seeing a doctor.

[LazyGun]

Buster,
Your figures are not correct, if you are suggesting that the 60 million UK population paying �2 a week would be sufficient to run the NHS.. they are massively incorrect. A shortfall of around �129 billion in fact or about 95% of the existing budget.

Or are you saying you want this as a supplement to the existing payments, in which case why not vote for a party that wants to raise taxation?

[Catso]

As above, it's a 'public ENCLOSED space' the ban applies to. Enclosed meaning (I think) have walls on more than 2 sides and a roof.

But some local/district councils are looking at banning smoking in public (including non-enclosed areas) from entire districts. As LazyGun says, Westminster are really keen on this, and will probably be the first.