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Have the working classes any part to play in modern Britain?
Their standard of education is so poor, that they are becoming a nation apart.
They are unable to eat, or dress properly and totally devoid of any intelligent conversation.
Special television programmes have been created, Trisha, for example, to help them with their problems, but it all seems to no avail.
Can they be stopped from further breeding, before their regression back into the dark ages, finally takes its toll?
Their standard of education is so poor, that they are becoming a nation apart.
They are unable to eat, or dress properly and totally devoid of any intelligent conversation.
Special television programmes have been created, Trisha, for example, to help them with their problems, but it all seems to no avail.
Can they be stopped from further breeding, before their regression back into the dark ages, finally takes its toll?
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I think it's unfair to say that the working classes are like that. They are not all like you see on tv. Ok, so there are some that are a waste of space and a drain on society, but many are not stupid, are very hard working and they are prepared to do the menial jobs that the upper classes would never do. Many work long hard hours for a pittance. I agree that something should be done about the lazy ones, but really, where would we be without the ones that do work?
This question seems to me to be deliberately provocative.
I consider myself working class and find your comments offensive. I am not saying that there aren't people like that in existence because there are, but to tar all of us with the same brush is extremely stupid of you.
There are different degrees of working class the same as there are different degrees of middle class and upper class.
There has always been this fact in Britain, look back through your family history and see exactly what your stock is.
Anyway, what is your point? That all people considered working class should be rounded up and exterminated?
But that would be a stereotypical patronising, fascist middle class view which definitely has no place in modern Britain.
I consider myself working class and find your comments offensive. I am not saying that there aren't people like that in existence because there are, but to tar all of us with the same brush is extremely stupid of you.
There are different degrees of working class the same as there are different degrees of middle class and upper class.
There has always been this fact in Britain, look back through your family history and see exactly what your stock is.
Anyway, what is your point? That all people considered working class should be rounded up and exterminated?
But that would be a stereotypical patronising, fascist middle class view which definitely has no place in modern Britain.
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Time for a rethink of the term 'the working class' ? What work do they do? Migrant workers, often highly qualified professionals/skilled tradespeople in their own countries, seem to do all the menial/low-paid work that Brits don't want to do.
I want to suggest 'the useless class' (upper), 'the working class' (middle) and 'the scrounging class' (we know who).
I want to suggest 'the useless class' (upper), 'the working class' (middle) and 'the scrounging class' (we know who).
I don't think it's the working class that's the problem, if we take a look at Birkenhead on the Wirral, we can see that the majority are on benefeits, and do not wish to work, as that would mean having to actually move. This isn't all people, granted. But a vast amount. Who do not wish to change, they contribute little to society, and if anything, make it worse. Overcrowed prams, consisting of 'the future' of this country, the classic dirty bib, and a constant supply of undiluted ribena in the baby's mouth, fags hanging out the corner of the mothers mouth, which always seems to be immediately replaced after the last one has been finished. We wonder waht makes them like this, a bad upbringing, the crap that's on TV, a bad education service? But then we fail to recognise that there are now more services than ever for adults to get an education and better themselves, this just doesn't seem to be working, as again, there is no motivation, therefore no change, whist the rest of us are earning a decent living, getting on with our own lives. and still coming up short, still not earning as much as these slobs. When can the active working class get a break?
Indeed it is the under-class or the "lumpenproletariat" who are the real problem.
Yes, they are a considerable amount of peasants within the normal working classes, but likewise, as said, there are hard working, law abiding and traditionally valued working classes as well.
I see no problem with the current system. If we were all marvellously educated who will clean the public toilets? If every pupil went on to get a good honors degree, who will fill the pick 'n' mix in Woolworths?
We need people who do not have ambition nor much savvy. Likewise we need people who are happy to be manual workers.
However.....................and this is further evident in our system. We DO HAVE a meritocracy. Anybody can make it if the desire is there. Education is free. A doctor can come from Cardiff State Comprehensive or Eton. The opportunity is there.
In other words we have a fair system. We need thick people and we need the working classes. There simply is not enough room, nor wealth, for us all to be middle class. But the freedom of access to move up a class is present. It is the individuals choice if he so wants to.
Yes, they are a considerable amount of peasants within the normal working classes, but likewise, as said, there are hard working, law abiding and traditionally valued working classes as well.
I see no problem with the current system. If we were all marvellously educated who will clean the public toilets? If every pupil went on to get a good honors degree, who will fill the pick 'n' mix in Woolworths?
We need people who do not have ambition nor much savvy. Likewise we need people who are happy to be manual workers.
However.....................and this is further evident in our system. We DO HAVE a meritocracy. Anybody can make it if the desire is there. Education is free. A doctor can come from Cardiff State Comprehensive or Eton. The opportunity is there.
In other words we have a fair system. We need thick people and we need the working classes. There simply is not enough room, nor wealth, for us all to be middle class. But the freedom of access to move up a class is present. It is the individuals choice if he so wants to.
Cambus, I realise that your question is couched in such a manner as to provoke debate - some people were bound to react without this realisation!
Your statements between the two questions are definitely generalisations, but are "generally " true!
The answers to your two questions are: "probably not" and "no"
Your statements between the two questions are definitely generalisations, but are "generally " true!
The answers to your two questions are: "probably not" and "no"
One of my sons is a
carpenter, the other a car mechanic, one daughter is a midwife and the other a care home deputy manager, they are all working class by the fact that they are not very high earners, but enough to pay the mortgage and keep their children, all work hard at home as well, doing their own decorating and other household things, we are a working class family and have never been on the 'dole'
working class and proud of it!
carpenter, the other a car mechanic, one daughter is a midwife and the other a care home deputy manager, they are all working class by the fact that they are not very high earners, but enough to pay the mortgage and keep their children, all work hard at home as well, doing their own decorating and other household things, we are a working class family and have never been on the 'dole'
working class and proud of it!
cambus
How very brave of you to post you views. Most people are too afraid to suggest eugenics as a way forward because if was the favoured choice of Nazi Germany. However you clearly are not inhibited by this.
I am sure that there are several other ABers here who will happily join your merry little band.
Please let me know when you are in a position to take some action about your concerns, other than merely cluttering up News, which incidentatly this thread does not appear to be. But, I suspect you know that already being as you are so educated.
How very brave of you to post you views. Most people are too afraid to suggest eugenics as a way forward because if was the favoured choice of Nazi Germany. However you clearly are not inhibited by this.
I am sure that there are several other ABers here who will happily join your merry little band.
Please let me know when you are in a position to take some action about your concerns, other than merely cluttering up News, which incidentatly this thread does not appear to be. But, I suspect you know that already being as you are so educated.
I have not got a problem with the working class. If someone works, pays their taxes, puts food on the table etc.then that is ok. If someone works, whether its as a brain surgeon or a road sweeper then they are working class surely? I have not got a problem with people who want to work but cant because of illness or disability. I have no problem about giving someone temporary benefit if they are between jobs. But I do have a problem with people who will not work. They are not working class. They are in a category of their own, a sort of underclass if you like. But the government has to take responsibility for this, for allowing them to get away with it. No one should get a free ride. Why are our taxes given awav to these low lifes who will not work. The money would be better spent on health care or some other deserving cause. These people should be made to work. If they cannot find a job themselves then a job should be found for them. NO WORK - NO BENEFIT
I have no time for people who will not work and they should not be allowed to sponge off decent hard working people.
I have no time for people who will not work and they should not be allowed to sponge off decent hard working people.
Good old stereotypes.
Living fairly close to Kensington in West London, I get to see people from both ends of the social spectrum.
And if it's a choice between spending time with Trish-fodder or the upper class twits that populate the Kings Road area, give me the working class ones any day of the week.
And just to address your criticism of wortking class dress sense:
People mock 'chavs' for wearing Burberry. But let's not forget that if the man on the street hadn't 'tarnished' the exclusivity of the brand, upper class people would still be wearing it, as they hilariously had done, out of choice, for decades.
And you want to see what else they put on. It''s 2007, and they genuinely think nothing of wearing chinos in their free time, very often with no socks coupled with brogues or moccasins. If it wasn't so rancid, it would be very very funny.
There's also a special big bushy hair style that the man opt for, which only serves to accentuate their massive features, brought on no doubt by centuries of in-breeding - big ears and noses and (especially) nostrils, with what looks like a billion teeth spilling out of their swollen-gummed mouths. And while this affliction inhibits their ability to speak, it actually boosts the volume at which they attempt it. Hence their tendency to bray like the very horses they resemble.
I can also do a comparison between 'pram-face' council girls and their ruddy-faced, deep Liz-Hurley-voiced, posh counterparts if you like?
Living fairly close to Kensington in West London, I get to see people from both ends of the social spectrum.
And if it's a choice between spending time with Trish-fodder or the upper class twits that populate the Kings Road area, give me the working class ones any day of the week.
And just to address your criticism of wortking class dress sense:
People mock 'chavs' for wearing Burberry. But let's not forget that if the man on the street hadn't 'tarnished' the exclusivity of the brand, upper class people would still be wearing it, as they hilariously had done, out of choice, for decades.
And you want to see what else they put on. It''s 2007, and they genuinely think nothing of wearing chinos in their free time, very often with no socks coupled with brogues or moccasins. If it wasn't so rancid, it would be very very funny.
There's also a special big bushy hair style that the man opt for, which only serves to accentuate their massive features, brought on no doubt by centuries of in-breeding - big ears and noses and (especially) nostrils, with what looks like a billion teeth spilling out of their swollen-gummed mouths. And while this affliction inhibits their ability to speak, it actually boosts the volume at which they attempt it. Hence their tendency to bray like the very horses they resemble.
I can also do a comparison between 'pram-face' council girls and their ruddy-faced, deep Liz-Hurley-voiced, posh counterparts if you like?
It's not working class because they don't work.
It's an underclass whose life and parents life goes something like this:
Leave school (if they attended) with no qualifications
Have several kids by different fathers/father children by sever different "women"
Claim as many benefits as you possibly can
Smoke draw most of the day and take little interest in your kids
Repeat indefinatley
It's an underclass whose life and parents life goes something like this:
Leave school (if they attended) with no qualifications
Have several kids by different fathers/father children by sever different "women"
Claim as many benefits as you possibly can
Smoke draw most of the day and take little interest in your kids
Repeat indefinatley
As someone else has already stated, you're confusing 'working class' with 'underclass': the latter being the long-term idle who have no intention of working and feed off the state and who have raised a generation to do the same. If their needs of these people are met by state, what incentive is there for them to work? The problem lies with our state benefit system, which has been too generous for too long now.
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