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Most crowded country in Europe
Its Official,
England is now the most crowded country in Europe.
My question is,
Why were border controls abolished in the first place?.
I have my own thoughts on this, but i'd like to read what other ABers have to say first.
Thanks.
England is now the most crowded country in Europe.
My question is,
Why were border controls abolished in the first place?.
I have my own thoughts on this, but i'd like to read what other ABers have to say first.
Thanks.
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I'm guessing of course, but I think that big business has a thrirst for cheap labour, and that influenced the lack of border controls, and now we all suffer on account of the free for all that has ensued. We should always be hospitable to genuine refugees, but the immigrants coming here now are taking the mick big time, and the social structures of our society are unravelling as a result. But Lonnie, what are your thoughts on this?
MrsT...aren't you mixing two different things up?
Lonnie described our borders as being open...this I took to mean to European workers.
However, the waves of workers that are coming in from the expanded Europe are all coming to work, not claim benefits.
They have a strong work ethic in Eastern Europe. My sister-in-law has worked in Poland for about 10 years and she tells me that it's considered a great embarrassment to be out of work!
It used to be like that over here...
Lonnie described our borders as being open...this I took to mean to European workers.
However, the waves of workers that are coming in from the expanded Europe are all coming to work, not claim benefits.
They have a strong work ethic in Eastern Europe. My sister-in-law has worked in Poland for about 10 years and she tells me that it's considered a great embarrassment to be out of work!
It used to be like that over here...
Sure workers have come over but I imagine a fair few dossers have come too I mean try and claim free dosh in any other EU country and see how far you get. Come to Engand and we'll stuff your pockets full of tax payers dosh, no problem.
Put it this way if you where a total workshy layabout where would you think you'd get the most for nowt?
Put it this way if you where a total workshy layabout where would you think you'd get the most for nowt?
MrsT
Sorry...I was being facetious.
Now, are you seriously suggesting that there are a significant number of people who want to uproot their families, sell their possessions and leave all they know to come to a country where they know no-one, don't speak the language etc...so that they can live on social security?
It's a bit of a stretch isn't it?
Yes - I 'spose there are absolutely some people who might want to go to the trouble to sponge, but to suggest that their numbers are hugely significant is a bit of a red herring.
Think about it...if it were true, how comes the Daily Mail hasn't given us figures on 'Euro Dole Scroungers'.
It's because it's not a story even they can make up.
Sorry...I was being facetious.
Now, are you seriously suggesting that there are a significant number of people who want to uproot their families, sell their possessions and leave all they know to come to a country where they know no-one, don't speak the language etc...so that they can live on social security?
It's a bit of a stretch isn't it?
Yes - I 'spose there are absolutely some people who might want to go to the trouble to sponge, but to suggest that their numbers are hugely significant is a bit of a red herring.
Think about it...if it were true, how comes the Daily Mail hasn't given us figures on 'Euro Dole Scroungers'.
It's because it's not a story even they can make up.
The mail has ignored Britain as a whole in order to make the point about Britain.
You might say "I don't live in Scotland" but then you don't live in the whole of England either do you?
What counts is where you live
For example population density in London is way down on Paris where you have some of the highest population densities in Europe.
Yet France is at the bottom of the "most crowded country in Europe" league
So really it's a pointless statistic
You might say "I don't live in Scotland" but then you don't live in the whole of England either do you?
What counts is where you live
For example population density in London is way down on Paris where you have some of the highest population densities in Europe.
Yet France is at the bottom of the "most crowded country in Europe" league
So really it's a pointless statistic
Is the UK the most crowded? I presume that you mean in terms of population density? I'm quite a fan of stats and figures, so if you had a link that would be cool.
In the meantime, here are the Wikipedia stats, that would show Netherlands and Belgium to be way more population dense than we are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries _by_population_density
In the meantime, here are the Wikipedia stats, that would show Netherlands and Belgium to be way more population dense than we are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries _by_population_density
we need immigration - we are prospering from immigration - people coming here to work and pay taxes are supporting our economy, for example if were to stop immigration from europe etc then what is already a pension crisis would become a pension nightmare as the indigenous population is not having enough children to support the aging population. This is only one example of why immigration is important for the UK there are loads more, like the need for skilled workers, if we can't supply the sort of workers we need to maintain our strong economy then we need to import at the same time there are loads of jobs that the British just don't want (working all hours keeping a shop open, cleaning up after everyone else etc) and if immigrants do want this work then all the better for us.
These are some of my thoughts on the border control issue, i agree that there will be some scroungers in amongst all this but i think their numbers will be so small as to be almost not worth worrying about. If we were to worry about robbing from the state we have more than enough of our own home grown scoungers to think about, and effort to reduce the welfare burden on that front might really make a difference
These are some of my thoughts on the border control issue, i agree that there will be some scroungers in amongst all this but i think their numbers will be so small as to be almost not worth worrying about. If we were to worry about robbing from the state we have more than enough of our own home grown scoungers to think about, and effort to reduce the welfare burden on that front might really make a difference
MrsT
Thank you for supporting my efforts to reintroduce 'frightfully' to common parlance.
I should've explained...you could argue social security system is more open to fraud/exploitation (as it always has been). However, even though there will be a small number of immigrants who want to uproot their families to come and take advange of the system, they will be a small proportion of those who come over, work for a few years and return.
...and these economic migrants will be taxed and make NI contributions.
Taxable earning start at �2,230...not sure where NI starts, but this is all money that goes into the pot.
From the bbc.com:
The most recent publication on the subject by the Home Office suggested that migrants contribute more in taxes and national insurance than they consume in benefits and other public services.
It estimated that the UK's foreign-born population contributes about 10% more to government revenues than it receives in state expenditure..
Thank you for supporting my efforts to reintroduce 'frightfully' to common parlance.
I should've explained...you could argue social security system is more open to fraud/exploitation (as it always has been). However, even though there will be a small number of immigrants who want to uproot their families to come and take advange of the system, they will be a small proportion of those who come over, work for a few years and return.
...and these economic migrants will be taxed and make NI contributions.
Taxable earning start at �2,230...not sure where NI starts, but this is all money that goes into the pot.
From the bbc.com:
The most recent publication on the subject by the Home Office suggested that migrants contribute more in taxes and national insurance than they consume in benefits and other public services.
It estimated that the UK's foreign-born population contributes about 10% more to government revenues than it receives in state expenditure..
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