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'The Good old Days...'
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I've been tossing this around in my head for a while, and I just can't work it out.
The question is, what exact time are people referring to when they harp on about everything being better in 'the good old days'? Seeing as fair few of such folk frequent AB, I thought I'd extend the question.
Be warned, though, I am shamelessly spoilng for an argument and will pounce upon any and all responses like a frenzied rabbit...
The question is, what exact time are people referring to when they harp on about everything being better in 'the good old days'? Seeing as fair few of such folk frequent AB, I thought I'd extend the question.
Be warned, though, I am shamelessly spoilng for an argument and will pounce upon any and all responses like a frenzied rabbit...
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You asked for a link on the statement I made regarding the NHS. Here you are.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/artic le427185.ece
Your information on hooliganism's a bit outdated, isn't it? Those stories are over a hundred years old.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/artic le427185.ece
Your information on hooliganism's a bit outdated, isn't it? Those stories are over a hundred years old.
That's my point. I'm trying to show that hooliganism isn't a new phenomenon.
Your link is an example of individual A&E units manipulating statistics to meet a target set by the government. Though deplorable, that's not quite the same as the government outright and directly making false statistics as you suggested.
Your link is an example of individual A&E units manipulating statistics to meet a target set by the government. Though deplorable, that's not quite the same as the government outright and directly making false statistics as you suggested.
stop blaming the politicians. They aren't an alien race of Martians come to do you down. Britain is a democracy. Successive governments have been elected to do what they said in their manifestos, and been re-elected afterwards. Thatcher and Blair have done what they said they would. The fact that people voted them back in, twice each, demonstrates that they are happy with what's been done. You vote for them, you live with it. If you don't like it, vote New Tory.
The Good Old Days were.............................
When Britain was GREAT.
We had an Empire worth mentioning and such was our grace, the world, including countries with fuzzy wuzzies, actually saw through the sandstorm or jungle they lived in and realise British Pomp and Circumstane was the way forward.
A time when our armed forces were not bound by political agenda and merely fought for God and country. To defend our faith and to protect our oceans. Not to please Blair and Brown, who incidentially both deserve to die.
A time when crime NEVER went unpunished. Theives were horse whipped in to shape and murderers were shown the noose.
A time when you could walk through old London Town and actually hear people speaking with a London accent and not some Polish-come-jamacian-come-urdu- come terrorist bullsh!t you hear now.
A time when people held strong family values and underage pregnancies, divorces, adulterous affairs and wotnot were much less common.
A time when school children actually learnt useful stuff a la Mr Chips. And not just played with mobile phones, technical graphics and eachothers bits!!!! They learnt manners and respect.
A time when you could walk down the street and not be mugged by a coloured thug or spat at by a muslim yob or started on by a white peasant "hoodie".
Those were the Good old Days.
Long Live the Empire and I am glad the Belgrano sank!!!!
When Britain was GREAT.
We had an Empire worth mentioning and such was our grace, the world, including countries with fuzzy wuzzies, actually saw through the sandstorm or jungle they lived in and realise British Pomp and Circumstane was the way forward.
A time when our armed forces were not bound by political agenda and merely fought for God and country. To defend our faith and to protect our oceans. Not to please Blair and Brown, who incidentially both deserve to die.
A time when crime NEVER went unpunished. Theives were horse whipped in to shape and murderers were shown the noose.
A time when you could walk through old London Town and actually hear people speaking with a London accent and not some Polish-come-jamacian-come-urdu- come terrorist bullsh!t you hear now.
A time when people held strong family values and underage pregnancies, divorces, adulterous affairs and wotnot were much less common.
A time when school children actually learnt useful stuff a la Mr Chips. And not just played with mobile phones, technical graphics and eachothers bits!!!! They learnt manners and respect.
A time when you could walk down the street and not be mugged by a coloured thug or spat at by a muslim yob or started on by a white peasant "hoodie".
Those were the Good old Days.
Long Live the Empire and I am glad the Belgrano sank!!!!
It's very hard for a government to fund the radical changes that we all want with regard to public utilities, social housing, key worker accomadation, public transport and heavy industry because the previous administration sold so much of it (cheaply)and destroyed the rest.
I'm no fan of Blair (never was, too smiley I always thought he was a tw@t) but at least he did something for the poorer people who work, the Tories would'nt have, whether he did enough is another story. But one thing I do know, I no longer speak to security guards (usually ex-army) earning �2.50 an hour working a 72 hour week hoping to get overtime to pay the mortgage at 13% which is what we had under the party of the family who told families to get on their bike and look for work (100s of miles down south) and then watch those jobs disappear with the recession (which hurt but worked apparently) end up living on the streets (hardly see that now) because all the council housing's gone.
The Tories left this country in an awful state, and this government has to rebuild the country on their outmoded economic model of a service economy, all we do now is take in each others washing.
Bewlay I really like you but I don't quite agree with your post, during the the days of empire poverty in Britain was worse, Mosley preyed on it to try and bring in his version of subversive facism I think he said "Chamberlain says he wants to see every single n1gger boy fed before he helps you!" in one speach.
Sounds familiar, some things never change!
I'm no fan of Blair (never was, too smiley I always thought he was a tw@t) but at least he did something for the poorer people who work, the Tories would'nt have, whether he did enough is another story. But one thing I do know, I no longer speak to security guards (usually ex-army) earning �2.50 an hour working a 72 hour week hoping to get overtime to pay the mortgage at 13% which is what we had under the party of the family who told families to get on their bike and look for work (100s of miles down south) and then watch those jobs disappear with the recession (which hurt but worked apparently) end up living on the streets (hardly see that now) because all the council housing's gone.
The Tories left this country in an awful state, and this government has to rebuild the country on their outmoded economic model of a service economy, all we do now is take in each others washing.
Bewlay I really like you but I don't quite agree with your post, during the the days of empire poverty in Britain was worse, Mosley preyed on it to try and bring in his version of subversive facism I think he said "Chamberlain says he wants to see every single n1gger boy fed before he helps you!" in one speach.
Sounds familiar, some things never change!
Ah, good old Bewlay.
actually saw through the sandstorm or jungle they lived in and realise British Pomp and Circumstane was the way forward.
I'm not one of these liberals who insisits the British Empire was a horrible blight on the world, but for Christ's sake, Bewlay. The Empire was motivated primarily by one thing: economic interests. I don't necessarily think the Empire was bad for everyone involved, but that's another debate.
A time when our armed forces were not bound by political agenda
'Cause the Zulu wasn't politically motivated...
A time when crime NEVER went unpunished.
Please see my quotes from various publications on the previous page for a swift debunking of this.
A time when you could walk through old London Town and actually hear people speaking with a London accent and not some Polish-come-jamacian-come-urdu- come terrorist bullsh!t you hear now.
Rubbish. For just one example, off the top of my head, it was a pole who discovered Jack The Ripper's 3rd victim. Plus there was considerable concern in the early C20 over Jewish and Continental immigration.
actually saw through the sandstorm or jungle they lived in and realise British Pomp and Circumstane was the way forward.
I'm not one of these liberals who insisits the British Empire was a horrible blight on the world, but for Christ's sake, Bewlay. The Empire was motivated primarily by one thing: economic interests. I don't necessarily think the Empire was bad for everyone involved, but that's another debate.
A time when our armed forces were not bound by political agenda
'Cause the Zulu wasn't politically motivated...
A time when crime NEVER went unpunished.
Please see my quotes from various publications on the previous page for a swift debunking of this.
A time when you could walk through old London Town and actually hear people speaking with a London accent and not some Polish-come-jamacian-come-urdu- come terrorist bullsh!t you hear now.
Rubbish. For just one example, off the top of my head, it was a pole who discovered Jack The Ripper's 3rd victim. Plus there was considerable concern in the early C20 over Jewish and Continental immigration.
A time when school children actually learnt useful stuff a la Mr Chips. And not just played with mobile phones, technical graphics and eachothers bits!!!! They learnt manners and respect
Also a time when considerably less kids were in school. Why? People couldn't afford it or sent their kids straight into labour. 'Good Old Days'?
Hooliganism isn't new, but the extent of the violence we're witnessing now is.
See my chart from the British Crime Survey earlier in the thread. The only thing that's increased is press focus on this sort of thing.
Also a time when considerably less kids were in school. Why? People couldn't afford it or sent their kids straight into labour. 'Good Old Days'?
Hooliganism isn't new, but the extent of the violence we're witnessing now is.
See my chart from the British Crime Survey earlier in the thread. The only thing that's increased is press focus on this sort of thing.
I think in all fairness when you look on back on it, life's sh1t and always has been but it's better than the alternative. the good old days are generally when you're young because life has'nt had a chance to corrupt you (yet).
The biggest change I feel that has taken place in this country over the 30 or so years has been the disappearanc of the old certainties.
If you watch "Open All Hours" even though it was comedy fiction it was recognisisble as an aspect of real life (now long gone) when I grew up there were standards and customs that had been around (seemingly) forever and they all disappeared in the blink of an eye.
If you go to the old mining towns you'll see blokes in their 30s who are druggies and have been for over 20 years, their fathers were hard working decent people. So what happened, the whole world disintegrated around them, evrything their parents told them became untrue. These lads would have gone down the pits earned money had a life found a wife, had children instilled in them the work ethic their father taught them. Before the Tories closed the mines, god forbid we get another Tory government in my life time. I just wish we had a Labour government.
The biggest change I feel that has taken place in this country over the 30 or so years has been the disappearanc of the old certainties.
If you watch "Open All Hours" even though it was comedy fiction it was recognisisble as an aspect of real life (now long gone) when I grew up there were standards and customs that had been around (seemingly) forever and they all disappeared in the blink of an eye.
If you go to the old mining towns you'll see blokes in their 30s who are druggies and have been for over 20 years, their fathers were hard working decent people. So what happened, the whole world disintegrated around them, evrything their parents told them became untrue. These lads would have gone down the pits earned money had a life found a wife, had children instilled in them the work ethic their father taught them. Before the Tories closed the mines, god forbid we get another Tory government in my life time. I just wish we had a Labour government.
We bloody well need a Conservative Government!!!!!
Cameron is OK, but a little wet. We need a person with balls of steel!!
Closing the mines???? We have approximately 300 years worth of fuel under our gardens. If the middle east continues with it wicked and evil ways, we will be sitting pretty. Perhaps the glorious Baroness Thatcher knew more than she let on.
The tories made this country rich. Through privatisation and the age old principle of thrift and saving, people had the opportunity to become rich.
You didn't have to be a city worker or posh sort to invest in BT shares or Abbey national did you?? (Both making more millionnaires that the working class lottery has in 14 or so years!!!!)
Buying your council house made people proud to be landed gentry. Many moved making HUGE profits to their dream cottage in a cheaper part of the land, or even abroad.
Norman Tebbitts "on you bike" is still true!!!!!!
Yes, genetics and what your parents do may have a small degree of decision in ones life style but on the whole it is down to individualism and self-awareness.
The whole ethos of Conservativism is based on individuality. The state is there to assist and guide NOT as a means to a home, job and benefits.
Cameron is OK, but a little wet. We need a person with balls of steel!!
Closing the mines???? We have approximately 300 years worth of fuel under our gardens. If the middle east continues with it wicked and evil ways, we will be sitting pretty. Perhaps the glorious Baroness Thatcher knew more than she let on.
The tories made this country rich. Through privatisation and the age old principle of thrift and saving, people had the opportunity to become rich.
You didn't have to be a city worker or posh sort to invest in BT shares or Abbey national did you?? (Both making more millionnaires that the working class lottery has in 14 or so years!!!!)
Buying your council house made people proud to be landed gentry. Many moved making HUGE profits to their dream cottage in a cheaper part of the land, or even abroad.
Norman Tebbitts "on you bike" is still true!!!!!!
Yes, genetics and what your parents do may have a small degree of decision in ones life style but on the whole it is down to individualism and self-awareness.
The whole ethos of Conservativism is based on individuality. The state is there to assist and guide NOT as a means to a home, job and benefits.
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The job of government is to collect taxes and redistribute it amongst the people to provide a standard of living for all.
Not everything has to make money some things, transport for instance, should serve only to facilitate the wealth of the people and to allow successful business to thrive.
The sale of the utilities has proven now to be a disaster the price of gas and electric have gone through the roof, water is going up whilst the service is diminished because they don't dredge rivers or clear drains as often to boost share holder dividends.
It is the job of government to provide the people with work by the use of it's economic policies.
If get on your bike was the right policy how can the Conservatives claim to be the party of the family?
Not everything has to make money some things, transport for instance, should serve only to facilitate the wealth of the people and to allow successful business to thrive.
The sale of the utilities has proven now to be a disaster the price of gas and electric have gone through the roof, water is going up whilst the service is diminished because they don't dredge rivers or clear drains as often to boost share holder dividends.
It is the job of government to provide the people with work by the use of it's economic policies.
If get on your bike was the right policy how can the Conservatives claim to be the party of the family?
Krom "Crime - the only thing that's increased is press focus on this sort of thing." Has the appalling rise in gun crime amongst the young completely escaped your notice then? Or are you saying it's always happened, but the press didn't report it? If that's what you are saying, then you're wrong. Were criminals always allowed to go free to continue their lifestyle, or is it that the press just didn't report that either? Wakey wakey!!
123 Utilities shouldn't have been sold off, neither should council houses, and yes, we did have very high interest rates under the Conservatives, but at least young people had a chance of buying a house then. Now they can't get on the first rung of the housing ladder, despite the introduction of the minimum wage. You talk about low wages then, but what's happening now? Cheap labour from foreign sources, so is the ordinary working man really any better off? You're right, the Conservatives did leave the country in a state, which is why we were so delighted when New Labour triumphed, but what a disappointment they turned out to be. We thought we had a tough deal under the Conservatives, but this country was never in the state it's in now. I repeat, this government have had years to change things, and they haven't. You can't go making excuses for them by blaming a previous government forever. New Labour is totally responsible for the state of this country at the present time, and they should be held accountable.
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123 Utilities shouldn't have been sold off, neither should council houses, and yes, we did have very high interest rates under the Conservatives, but at least young people had a chance of buying a house then. Now they can't get on the first rung of the housing ladder, despite the introduction of the minimum wage. You talk about low wages then, but what's happening now? Cheap labour from foreign sources, so is the ordinary working man really any better off? You're right, the Conservatives did leave the country in a state, which is why we were so delighted when New Labour triumphed, but what a disappointment they turned out to be. We thought we had a tough deal under the Conservatives, but this country was never in the state it's in now. I repeat, this government have had years to change things, and they haven't. You can't go making excuses for them by blaming a previous government forever. New Labour is totally responsible for the state of this country at the present time, and they should be held accountable.
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