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Heard on the news [here down under] that Britons are leaving dear old England in record numbers,what`s up?
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Just seen Pervez Musharraf, thanking Brown for another load of our hard earned cash, for his beloved Pakistan.
This is another reason to make one leave this country.
Where does Brown get all this spare cash, with which to dish out to every Tom, Dick and Harry? Yet if the long suffering people of these isles want any, they isn't any.
This is another reason to make one leave this country.
Where does Brown get all this spare cash, with which to dish out to every Tom, Dick and Harry? Yet if the long suffering people of these isles want any, they isn't any.
Here is a graph for you kwicky. See if you can find any third world countries better off that the UK.
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/ra nk/PNBH2.html
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/ra nk/PNBH2.html
If anyone wonder WHY people want to leave the UK read this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime /article3247821.ece
We have left the front door of this country open and the scum of Europe have decended on us.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime /article3247821.ece
We have left the front door of this country open and the scum of Europe have decended on us.
Gromit does your graph include this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_ lunch/4449822.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_ lunch/4449822.stm
claymore, I have just reread your question and notice you are from "down under" so you may not be aware of what is going on generally in Europe.
Europe has had many years of peace and prosperity since the second world war. To try to continue this peace in the 1960s some European countries got together to form the "common market".
This was mainly a trade organization, plus an attempt to try to live and work better together.
But gradually this organization has evolved into a sort of "super state" (rather like a United States of Europe).
While it originally consisted of mostly rich Western European countires like UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc it has now grown to I think 27 countries and includes poor Eastern Europen countries like Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia and so on.
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Europe has had many years of peace and prosperity since the second world war. To try to continue this peace in the 1960s some European countries got together to form the "common market".
This was mainly a trade organization, plus an attempt to try to live and work better together.
But gradually this organization has evolved into a sort of "super state" (rather like a United States of Europe).
While it originally consisted of mostly rich Western European countires like UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc it has now grown to I think 27 countries and includes poor Eastern Europen countries like Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia and so on.
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To make the European Union work the governments felt that border controls should be lifted and basically anyone in the EU would have the right to live and work in any other EU country.
This has had 2 dramatic effect in UK.
1) Because the standard of living in the UK is way above that of many Eastern European countries the people from Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia etc have flooded to this country.
While there are many that are law abiding and work hard there are also many that have come here to commit crime, and abuse the system by claiming benefits, stealing peoples credit cards and so on.
2) Because of the easing of border controls it is now much easier for people OUTSIDE Europe to get into Europe and then move from country to country.
So we now have people who call themselves asylum seekers (but plainly are not) who come here hidden inside lorries or boats (or even planes)
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To make the European Union work the governments felt that border controls should be lifted and basically anyone in the EU would have the right to live and work in any other EU country.
This has had 2 dramatic effect in UK.
1) Because the standard of living in the UK is way above that of many Eastern European countries the people from Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia etc have flooded to this country.
While there are many that are law abiding and work hard there are also many that have come here to commit crime, and abuse the system by claiming benefits, stealing peoples credit cards and so on.
2) Because of the easing of border controls it is now much easier for people OUTSIDE Europe to get into Europe and then move from country to country.
So we now have people who call themselves asylum seekers (but plainly are not) who come here hidden inside lorries or boats (or even planes)
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Many Asylum Seekers destroy their documents and then claim Asylum on arrival. Even if their Asylum is turned down they cannot be sent back to their home country because we do not know which country they came from (having destroyed their papers).
We also have many illegal immmigrants who have come here, perhaps as fake students or on all sorts of visas, but they just never leave.
It is alsmost impossible to estiamte the number of illegal immigrants here, but figures approaching one milion are banded about.
The last 15 years or so has seen almost totally uncontrolled and unmanaged immigratoin into this country, and many the very sort of people you dont want here: uneducated, cant speak English, criminally inclined.
So if you add up all the people who have come here from other EU countries, AND the genuine Asylum Sekkers, AND the FAKE Asylum Seekers, PLUS the illegal immigrants, then the fabric of this country has changed dramatically.
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Many Asylum Seekers destroy their documents and then claim Asylum on arrival. Even if their Asylum is turned down they cannot be sent back to their home country because we do not know which country they came from (having destroyed their papers).
We also have many illegal immmigrants who have come here, perhaps as fake students or on all sorts of visas, but they just never leave.
It is alsmost impossible to estiamte the number of illegal immigrants here, but figures approaching one milion are banded about.
The last 15 years or so has seen almost totally uncontrolled and unmanaged immigratoin into this country, and many the very sort of people you dont want here: uneducated, cant speak English, criminally inclined.
So if you add up all the people who have come here from other EU countries, AND the genuine Asylum Sekkers, AND the FAKE Asylum Seekers, PLUS the illegal immigrants, then the fabric of this country has changed dramatically.
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Some of the illegal gangs have got involved in drugs and drug dealing.
These people are ruthless, and anyone who gets in their way is shot dead.
While 15 or 20 years ago it was rare to hear about a shooting, now it is almost a daily occurance. Some of the people involved can be young teenagers.
Of course sometimes the wrong person is targetted, so you get innocent people killed.
We had had a terrible Labour gevernment for the last 10 years who have allowed this immigration to continue unabated.
They have also allowed a certain lawlessness to previal amongst many teenagers in Brtian who are often out on the streets binge drinking, taking drugs, or both.
Some of these youngsters now carry knives, and fatal stabbings are now fairly common.
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Some of the illegal gangs have got involved in drugs and drug dealing.
These people are ruthless, and anyone who gets in their way is shot dead.
While 15 or 20 years ago it was rare to hear about a shooting, now it is almost a daily occurance. Some of the people involved can be young teenagers.
Of course sometimes the wrong person is targetted, so you get innocent people killed.
We had had a terrible Labour gevernment for the last 10 years who have allowed this immigration to continue unabated.
They have also allowed a certain lawlessness to previal amongst many teenagers in Brtian who are often out on the streets binge drinking, taking drugs, or both.
Some of these youngsters now carry knives, and fatal stabbings are now fairly common.
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We have also had a rise in the number of Muslims in this country, and with the recent problems with Islam, 9/11, the tube bombings etc this has caused many problems.
We are generally a very tolerant country, and we have allowed muslim preachers to openly spout hate and anti-western messages in their Mosques.
This has fuelled anti-western feeling amongst some young Muslims and we have had a number of terrorist attacks (also a number of failed ones).
Many "English" people are sick of seeing and hearing us bend over backwards to help immigrants and asylum seekers when they see their services cost more and more and in cases cut back or canceled.
I am VERY upset to see the way this country has gone in the last 15 or so years.
I USED to love this country but now hate it and feel we are on a slippery slope that could well end in a civil war of some sort.
We have also had a rise in the number of Muslims in this country, and with the recent problems with Islam, 9/11, the tube bombings etc this has caused many problems.
We are generally a very tolerant country, and we have allowed muslim preachers to openly spout hate and anti-western messages in their Mosques.
This has fuelled anti-western feeling amongst some young Muslims and we have had a number of terrorist attacks (also a number of failed ones).
Many "English" people are sick of seeing and hearing us bend over backwards to help immigrants and asylum seekers when they see their services cost more and more and in cases cut back or canceled.
I am VERY upset to see the way this country has gone in the last 15 or so years.
I USED to love this country but now hate it and feel we are on a slippery slope that could well end in a civil war of some sort.
If I was you vehelpfulguy, I'd get out now while you still have a chance.
kwicky. The UKs has the 5th largest economy in the world, with a GDP of $2.398 trillion. My no stretch of the imagination can that be thought of as 'third world'.
Household debts are more than five times covered by household assets. The lion�s share of debt, about 83%, is in the form of mortgages and only a minor part of it is on plastic cards. More than 2 million own a second home. House repossessions, though tragic for those involved, are very rare.
A Trillion success story
We are not a poor nation.
kwicky. The UKs has the 5th largest economy in the world, with a GDP of $2.398 trillion. My no stretch of the imagination can that be thought of as 'third world'.
Household debts are more than five times covered by household assets. The lion�s share of debt, about 83%, is in the form of mortgages and only a minor part of it is on plastic cards. More than 2 million own a second home. House repossessions, though tragic for those involved, are very rare.
A Trillion success story
We are not a poor nation.
If I was younger I would be seriously thinking of going to live somewhere else. The political correctness taken to ridiculous extremes gets on my nerves. The number of immigrants legal or otherwise worries me. The yob culture going unchecked worries me. The feral underclass of people that seems to be growing daily. Last but not least, muslim extremism frightens me to death, and I sincerely hope that these people are a minority, and that decent muslims will stand with us against them in the event it becomes necessary. That said, England is home to me.
kwicky
You obviously didn't read my post above.
"the population at large are living on tick. A negative balance in your assets means you own nothing and that applies to most of us."
That is simply not true. The majority are not living on tick. The vast majority of the population have assets that are greater than their debts (if they have any).
You obviously didn't read my post above.
"the population at large are living on tick. A negative balance in your assets means you own nothing and that applies to most of us."
That is simply not true. The majority are not living on tick. The vast majority of the population have assets that are greater than their debts (if they have any).
Gromit, all I can say is I admire your patience and persistence. The tide of ignorance grows ever larger, and a lot of us are simply worn out trying to reason with ignorance and fear. I salute you, but it won't do any good, sadly.
Evil started in 1997, it must be true because 50 ABer's believe it to be so and shout it from the roof tops. The halycon days of no immigrants, no sleeze (particularly no brown envelopes whatsoever), a cohesive European policy, jobs for all, no dole scroungers, crime free streets and no engagements with tin pot regimes in far flung places (like Chile for example) are long gone.
No wonder I left the country. Serious, it was ironic. I said if Major got back in 1997 I would leave the country, and in October 1997 I was offered a great job abroad, and I have been here ever since. Before anyone whinges about being out of touch, I do read the (quality) press and travel back regularly.
Evil started in 1997, it must be true because 50 ABer's believe it to be so and shout it from the roof tops. The halycon days of no immigrants, no sleeze (particularly no brown envelopes whatsoever), a cohesive European policy, jobs for all, no dole scroungers, crime free streets and no engagements with tin pot regimes in far flung places (like Chile for example) are long gone.
No wonder I left the country. Serious, it was ironic. I said if Major got back in 1997 I would leave the country, and in October 1997 I was offered a great job abroad, and I have been here ever since. Before anyone whinges about being out of touch, I do read the (quality) press and travel back regularly.
Here is another example of why so many Britains are leaving the country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7215081.stm
Why scum like this are allowed to live here I will never know.
Another example of why this country is going down the pan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7215081.stm
Why scum like this are allowed to live here I will never know.
Another example of why this country is going down the pan.
Yet another example of why so many are leaving Britain.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7215624.stm
In some cities they call it "white flight", an attempt by white people to get out of a city before it is taken over by Asians, Blacks, Poles, Muslims, Romanians and so on.
The trouble is there are less and less places in the UK for white people to take flight to, so the only option is to go abroad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2008/01/15/nwhite115.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7215624.stm
In some cities they call it "white flight", an attempt by white people to get out of a city before it is taken over by Asians, Blacks, Poles, Muslims, Romanians and so on.
The trouble is there are less and less places in the UK for white people to take flight to, so the only option is to go abroad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2008/01/15/nwhite115.xml
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=511187&in_page_i d=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&c t=5 Taxpayers paying for scum as well and to PROTECT them.
