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Has Thatcher pegged out yet?
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Don't say she's recovered?! There'll be loads of people having street parties when she pegs out. The only trouble is it's 30 years too late
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at least she had conviction and the courage to carry out anything that needed doing,
these lot we have now just lie and think only of what the potential damage a decision could do to their careers,
yes we were the sick men of europe before thatcher and we will be again after brown,
i am english by the way and not afraid to say it, no way do i want to be associated with scotland the offspring of which are bringing my country down.
these lot we have now just lie and think only of what the potential damage a decision could do to their careers,
yes we were the sick men of europe before thatcher and we will be again after brown,
i am english by the way and not afraid to say it, no way do i want to be associated with scotland the offspring of which are bringing my country down.
I wonder if we will have the same type of obscene and venomous postings from the right-wing if and when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown (the real destroyers of the once Great Britain) meet their demise?
I don't think so somehow, we are of a different class of person. Who can disagree with another persons political leanings without resorting to the same type of vulgarities show by some posters on this site.
I don't think so somehow, we are of a different class of person. Who can disagree with another persons political leanings without resorting to the same type of vulgarities show by some posters on this site.
>she also closed the pits down costing thousands of miners their jobs and plunging whole areas into decline
I saw on the news the other day of one pit that was bought out by the miners themselves.
After working on it for a few years they realise that it is uneconomic to keep it open so are closing it themselves.
Most people agreed at the time that these pits were uneconomic and keeping them open was just as bad as pumping millions into British Leyland year after year.
I saw on the news the other day of one pit that was bought out by the miners themselves.
After working on it for a few years they realise that it is uneconomic to keep it open so are closing it themselves.
Most people agreed at the time that these pits were uneconomic and keeping them open was just as bad as pumping millions into British Leyland year after year.
Margaret Thatcher was one of the best PMs this country has ever had. One day you might just realise. She did a lot of good unlike our most recent long serving PM who did nothing but bad.
Wish her well in her declining years and give her the praise she rightly deserves. She made some tough decisions and carried them through,.
Wish her well in her declining years and give her the praise she rightly deserves. She made some tough decisions and carried them through,.
she also closed the pits down costing thousands of miners their jobs and plunging whole areas into decline
Do you seriously believe Thatcher wanted that? Honestly?
By the 1970s, it was simply far cheaper and more efficient to import coal (as for our coal you have to dig quite deep down). The mines were costing the country money. Nobody wanted the devastation that shutting them down caused, but the fact of the matter is that they needed closing. Thatcher was the only person around willing to do it.
Do you seriously believe Thatcher wanted that? Honestly?
By the 1970s, it was simply far cheaper and more efficient to import coal (as for our coal you have to dig quite deep down). The mines were costing the country money. Nobody wanted the devastation that shutting them down caused, but the fact of the matter is that they needed closing. Thatcher was the only person around willing to do it.
Thatcher put around 6 million people out of work and drove the wages for the working class down to third world levels
She did, however, increase productivity. Which is actually a better indication of standard of living than wages (wages are important though, don't get me wrong). So while wages were tighter (and I accept this is a bad thing), things were also cheaper and people were paying less tax.
I want to point out that I'm not a 'Thatcher fanatic' - I think her third term was disastrous - and by and large I would probably fall into the 'liberal' demographic of AB, but I think it's quite clear that Thatcher deserves credit for at least some of the decisions she took.
She did, however, increase productivity. Which is actually a better indication of standard of living than wages (wages are important though, don't get me wrong). So while wages were tighter (and I accept this is a bad thing), things were also cheaper and people were paying less tax.
I want to point out that I'm not a 'Thatcher fanatic' - I think her third term was disastrous - and by and large I would probably fall into the 'liberal' demographic of AB, but I think it's quite clear that Thatcher deserves credit for at least some of the decisions she took.
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actually this link says 1.4 million still a long way from the tories disastrous record
http://stuffem.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/uk-une mployment-returns-to-1979-levels/
http://stuffem.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/uk-une mployment-returns-to-1979-levels/
Economists such as Christopher ********** have actually attributed the long-term rise in employment enjoyed in the late 90s (and now) to the economic liberalisation and weakening of the unions that took place in the 80s.
Quoted from the introduction of 'Unemployment in Britain: A European Success Story':
[...] the big swings of the 1980s gave way to a long expansion of unemployment in the 1990s. What appeared like a permanent rise in unemployment in the first half of the 1980s was reversed in the second half of the 1990s.
I can't find my hard copy of the report, but if I can dig it up I'll post some of his evidence later. You can easily find it online.
Quoted from the introduction of 'Unemployment in Britain: A European Success Story':
[...] the big swings of the 1980s gave way to a long expansion of unemployment in the 1990s. What appeared like a permanent rise in unemployment in the first half of the 1980s was reversed in the second half of the 1990s.
I can't find my hard copy of the report, but if I can dig it up I'll post some of his evidence later. You can easily find it online.
There are some truly horrible people on this site - interestingly they are the same people who tend to be of a 'The Guardian' disposition..........................
It has always made me wryly smile when people get wound up about the miners, because they steadfastly refuse to accept that there is something wrong when it cost more to mine a ton of coal than it could be sold for.
Thatcher rescued this country, and despite Major's rubbish tenure and despite all Labour have tried to do to undo her good work, we are still (just) reaping the benefits of her time in power.
It has always made me wryly smile when people get wound up about the miners, because they steadfastly refuse to accept that there is something wrong when it cost more to mine a ton of coal than it could be sold for.
Thatcher rescued this country, and despite Major's rubbish tenure and despite all Labour have tried to do to undo her good work, we are still (just) reaping the benefits of her time in power.
What a load of gutless liliy livered tw@ts you lefties are. Be grateful that MrsT saved you from socialism. Have you all forgotten what the 70's where like when the unions brought the country to it's knees? Yes unemployment went up but that was because they where not real jobs, remember the unions had made it almost impossible to fire anyone.
Maggie reversed the decline when all around her she was told that all we could do was manage the decline into a Soviet outpost.
Most of those raiing against her now have been brainwashed by a generation of lefty teachers who hated her for being right. 10cs etal did you actually live through the 60's/70's when the country was being systematically destroyed by lefty dogma and ideology? Can you not see that the patient was almost dead, the cure was harsh but necessary.
I dispair at those who cannot see the good MrsT did. Forgive them Maggie, they know not what they do!
Maggie reversed the decline when all around her she was told that all we could do was manage the decline into a Soviet outpost.
Most of those raiing against her now have been brainwashed by a generation of lefty teachers who hated her for being right. 10cs etal did you actually live through the 60's/70's when the country was being systematically destroyed by lefty dogma and ideology? Can you not see that the patient was almost dead, the cure was harsh but necessary.
I dispair at those who cannot see the good MrsT did. Forgive them Maggie, they know not what they do!
Well lovejoy, I haven't noticed any of the "rabid" right wingers wishing death on a pensioner because she didn't agree with them! I think that's been done by the ever so sensible, left wing who it seems cannot bear the fact that their lefty ideaology is so disasterously flawed and wish death upon those who dare to challenge them.
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