No questions on this?

[jake-the-peg]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idU KL2779818720080327

Britain's "Shameful" treatment of assylum seekers was big News yesterday yet nobody want's to express their outrage that we are so Rubbish again!

Is that because it offers a choice of siding with the Government or sympathising with assylum seekers?

[Gromit]

Is it true that one of the wealthiest economies in the world can no longer afford to have an asylum system? - No that's poppycock.

It seems that New Judge cannot differentiate between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants either. Let me enlighten him. Asylum Seekers want to legally come to this country, and are prepared to be tested on their validation for seeking refuge. To deny them that, because another totally unrelated group seek to come here unlawfully is potty.

The testing of a claim for asylum should be rigorous. Claims which are bogus should and are denied. I know there have been instances of gay people claiming they will be oppressed if they are sent back to their country of origin, but such cases are rare. To claim that all homosexuals (or people pretending to be) from those countries are queuing on our door step is scaremongering nonsense.

And many countries on Earth do more to accommodate foreigners. We are not ungenerous, but others are more generous.

The assertion that giving asylum/sanctuary/refuge is an unaffordable anachronism, is the pronouncement of a very uncaring and mean person.

[jake-the-peg]

It's also rot!

During the war we took in a quarter of a million Polish refugees alone.

That's with a population 2/3 of todays and into a much less developed economy and infrastructure.

And rationing was in place!

And New Judge would have us believe that we had more capacity to accept refugees then?

[New Judge]

Precisely, jake. We had 2/3 the population then.

I'm quite able to differentiate between the various groups wishing to settle here. It's unfortunate that the many from some of those groups have made it difficult for us to accept the few from others.

[sp1214]

20% of the children being born in UK are from immigrant families (todays news). Extrapolating there are 12 million immigrants of child bearing age. When it gets past 50% we will have no say in the matter.

[stokemaveric]

its time to say enough is enough.are all these children entitled to family allowance,tax credits and everything else?no wonder we havent got enough in the kitty to support our own.

[Gromit]

sp1214

The problem with your figures is that there are not 12 Million immigrants of all ages in total, nevermind 12 Million of child bearing age.

[tigerlily11]

Just a few questions.
How many of these people are truely in danger?
Should we just take their word for it?
How do we prove it?
Who is responsible for proving it?
The thing is anyone can come here and say "I'm in danger if I go back."
Which leads to other questions.
What we might consider police actions against criminals an asylum aplicant might see as persecution.
As pointed out if they feared that much for thier lives why not stop at the first friendly country they come to?

[sp1214]

Gromit 20% of children born = 20% of familes producing them. Population of UK = 60 million approx. Therefore 20% of this = 12 million immigrant families.

Unless they produce at a higher rate which could in future make the problem far worse.

[persianlady]

Surely sooner or later the line will have to be drawn. We cannot keep accepting all these people indefinitely. The prisons cant cope. Hospitals cant cope. Schools cant cope. Local authorities cant cope. Etc,etc,etc, Enough is enough! This country is already a cess pit.

[New Judge]

Just a bit more from me then we�ll have to agree to differ.

I am by no means uncaring. On the contrary, I care in particular for people already here in the UK. I care for people who are told that because of lack of cash the NHS (to which they have contributed) is unable to fund their live-saving drugs, or treatment to prevent them going blind. I care for Ghurkhas who, having fought for this country are no longer welcome here. And so on. I find it hard to swallow these stories when we welcome (and fund the existence of) anybody arriving here who does not particularly like it where they come from.

I see asylum as an anachronism (definition: from another age; a leftover) because it stems from a time when we could manage to accommodate such unfortunates. Now, because welfare eats up more than 25% of public spending, and because many public services are stretched to breaking point, I�m afraid we cannot.

[tigerlily11]

here here Newjudge

[persianlady]

Well said New Judge! Who is going to draw the line and when?

[glenbar]

Personally I couldn't care less how many come here so long as they pay for the services until they have contributed to our society. Where on earth in the world could we go to obtain free health care, interpreters, child support etc etc ? If we go on holiday abroad we have to take out insurance and I hear that France is now refusing NHS treatment to ex pats. That would be fair enough, but what happens if a French person falls ill over here. Would they be refused treatment?
I am obviously not referring to those escaping torture etc, but economic migrants must surely be costing the country millions and I am at a loss to understand how on earth it is continuing at such a rate whilst our economy is at such a low. Unfortunately I cant see anything ever changing now.