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http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idU KL2779818720080327
Britain's "Shameful" treatment of assylum seekers was big News yesterday yet nobody want's to express their outrage that we are so Rubbish again!
Is that because it offers a choice of siding with the Government or sympathising with assylum seekers?
Britain's "Shameful" treatment of assylum seekers was big News yesterday yet nobody want's to express their outrage that we are so Rubbish again!
Is that because it offers a choice of siding with the Government or sympathising with assylum seekers?
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It seems to me that either the Gov are not doing enough to stop the over populating uk from assylum seekers and thus immigrants, or now they are doing too much and being firm!
I can't side with bad treatment of assylum seekers, but I can't condone UK allowing all who claim assylum to come and stay?
I may be very nieve about this, so forgive me if I am talking rubbish, but it is a very confusing issue to me!
I can't side with bad treatment of assylum seekers, but I can't condone UK allowing all who claim assylum to come and stay?
I may be very nieve about this, so forgive me if I am talking rubbish, but it is a very confusing issue to me!
Possibly that some people are pleased that asylum seekers are treated shamefully.
Those people cannot distinguish between, legal immigrants, economic migrants, refugees and illegal immigrants. They are all the same to them - foreigners who should be in their own countries.
They spout on about British tradition and values, yet the long and honourable tradition of the British to offer safe asylum is alien to them.
The fact that a weak government has pandered to right wing newspapers and has made a mockery of the asylum system this country operates, is indeed good news to them.
Those people cannot distinguish between, legal immigrants, economic migrants, refugees and illegal immigrants. They are all the same to them - foreigners who should be in their own countries.
They spout on about British tradition and values, yet the long and honourable tradition of the British to offer safe asylum is alien to them.
The fact that a weak government has pandered to right wing newspapers and has made a mockery of the asylum system this country operates, is indeed good news to them.
Allow me to expand:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_ 03_08asyluminterimfindings.pdf
The interview procedures are aggressive with a culture of disbelief that produces unjust decisions.
We do not take account of vulnerable people like torture survivors
We use a policy of destitution to encourage "voluntary" returns.
We use improper violence
Nothing about restaurants
The chart on page 16 is particularly interesting as it shows how few assylum applications are made to the UK compared to other European countries
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_ 03_08asyluminterimfindings.pdf
The interview procedures are aggressive with a culture of disbelief that produces unjust decisions.
We do not take account of vulnerable people like torture survivors
We use a policy of destitution to encourage "voluntary" returns.
We use improper violence
Nothing about restaurants
The chart on page 16 is particularly interesting as it shows how few assylum applications are made to the UK compared to other European countries
I think Gromit's answer says it all.
I am also struck by your link being reuters rather than one of the home grown news sites. I may have been inattentive yesterday but didn't see this as headlines in the British press either paper or tv. Guess that confirms peoples lack of interest and care in the well being of others. Its not as exciting as 'bashing' or baying for blood.
I am also struck by your link being reuters rather than one of the home grown news sites. I may have been inattentive yesterday but didn't see this as headlines in the British press either paper or tv. Guess that confirms peoples lack of interest and care in the well being of others. Its not as exciting as 'bashing' or baying for blood.
Personally, i believe that the UK as a whole is far too open to immigrants and asylum seekers.
The area i live in has now become known as Little Poland, as there are so many of them living here now.
The fact that many of them do come over here and expect to be given benefits bewilders me - there are even cases of some being put higher on doctor / hospital waiting lists than UK resident - people who have lived here their whole lives.
Then, you hear stuff from various groups that immigrant / asylum seekers religions, beliefs and laws should be taken into account along with our own!!!!
Why the heck should that be???
The UK should follow Australia's rule - basically, if you are going to come here, have something to offer the country, abide by our rules, live as one of us, or get out!
And before anyone starts making out that i am being racist, i am not - what i am is sick of having to pay higher taxes, pay higher prices, etc, to help these people without being given any option!
The area i live in has now become known as Little Poland, as there are so many of them living here now.
The fact that many of them do come over here and expect to be given benefits bewilders me - there are even cases of some being put higher on doctor / hospital waiting lists than UK resident - people who have lived here their whole lives.
Then, you hear stuff from various groups that immigrant / asylum seekers religions, beliefs and laws should be taken into account along with our own!!!!
Why the heck should that be???
The UK should follow Australia's rule - basically, if you are going to come here, have something to offer the country, abide by our rules, live as one of us, or get out!
And before anyone starts making out that i am being racist, i am not - what i am is sick of having to pay higher taxes, pay higher prices, etc, to help these people without being given any option!
Ok, ok.....without confusing the issue....
Whatever the reason for them wanting to come into the UK, there are far too many foreigners in this country....even those at risk from torture and violence in their own countries!
Why cant they go to other elsewhere instead??
Because the UK is weak when it comes to letting everyone in.....
Whatever the reason for them wanting to come into the UK, there are far too many foreigners in this country....even those at risk from torture and violence in their own countries!
Why cant they go to other elsewhere instead??
Because the UK is weak when it comes to letting everyone in.....
Provisions for asylum are very noble, but unfortunately it is something that this country can no longer afford.
There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is that the country has become over-stretched in recent years accommodating genuine asylum seekers, not so genuine asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, economic migrants and lastly (but by no means least) those simply moving from less well off EU nations in search of a better life.
In addition the notion of asylum has been stretched beyond credibility and claims are not properly checked. For example (and only as an example), many countries are oppressive towards homosexuals. This means that all homosexuals from those countries are now eligible for asylum here because they are likely to be oppressed. This has led to heterosexual people pitching up on the UK�s doorstep, claiming to be �gay� and thus in need of asylum. Clearly ridiculous.
There is also the issue of the �first safe haven� which has already been mentioned. The UK is very often the last safe haven some asylum seekers seek.
The report provided by jake makes interesting reading. Among the most interesting of its conclusions is that the UK does not have an asylum system that is �fit for purpose�. That may well be true. But huge numbers of people are still clamouring to get here � often from countries where no threat to their wellbeing exists. So either our system cannot be too unfit for purpose, or word has not yet got around.
No country on earth does more to accommodate foreigners than the UK � often at great expense and to the detriment of people already here. The report is offensive to British people in its suggestion that asylum seekers are treated inhumanely.
Whatever our perceived responsibilities are, the time has come to put an end to this expensive anachronism.
There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is that the country has become over-stretched in recent years accommodating genuine asylum seekers, not so genuine asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, economic migrants and lastly (but by no means least) those simply moving from less well off EU nations in search of a better life.
In addition the notion of asylum has been stretched beyond credibility and claims are not properly checked. For example (and only as an example), many countries are oppressive towards homosexuals. This means that all homosexuals from those countries are now eligible for asylum here because they are likely to be oppressed. This has led to heterosexual people pitching up on the UK�s doorstep, claiming to be �gay� and thus in need of asylum. Clearly ridiculous.
There is also the issue of the �first safe haven� which has already been mentioned. The UK is very often the last safe haven some asylum seekers seek.
The report provided by jake makes interesting reading. Among the most interesting of its conclusions is that the UK does not have an asylum system that is �fit for purpose�. That may well be true. But huge numbers of people are still clamouring to get here � often from countries where no threat to their wellbeing exists. So either our system cannot be too unfit for purpose, or word has not yet got around.
No country on earth does more to accommodate foreigners than the UK � often at great expense and to the detriment of people already here. The report is offensive to British people in its suggestion that asylum seekers are treated inhumanely.
Whatever our perceived responsibilities are, the time has come to put an end to this expensive anachronism.
So it's "I'm all right Jack"?
I don't care if you're going to be shot if we send you back because I don't know you personally?
"And let's face it it's never going to happen to me or anyone I care about".
Maybe I'm biased because my wife's mother was an Austrian jewish refugee fleeing Hitler.
I'm rather assuming you'd have sent her back?
I don't care if you're going to be shot if we send you back because I don't know you personally?
"And let's face it it's never going to happen to me or anyone I care about".
Maybe I'm biased because my wife's mother was an Austrian jewish refugee fleeing Hitler.
I'm rather assuming you'd have sent her back?
No I think most people will side with anyone actually seeking tru asylum, but as others have said, they shouold seek asylum in the furst safe country they arrive in.
An austrian jew fleeing the nazis, in my book is a true case of a true asylum seeker, who is trully fleeing from true atrocitse, not like most of the freeloaders that come though our ports these days.
An austrian jew fleeing the nazis, in my book is a true case of a true asylum seeker, who is trully fleeing from true atrocitse, not like most of the freeloaders that come though our ports these days.
We could afford to accommodate such people seventy years ago, jake. Now, because of the reason's I've pointed out (and many more that I have not) we simply cannot.
Far from being alright, this country faces severe problems financing and servicing the people already here. Many people who have lived here (and contributed to the country's coffers) all their lives are struggling.
It may well be that people from elsewhere have greater struggles, but in my book that is not sufficient reason to place an even greater burden upon those already here.
We cannot look after the entire world and it's time for us to face up to that fact. The authors of the report you cited are no doubt comfortable in their existence. Many people here are not.
If you see that as "I'm alright, Jack" then so be it.
Far from being alright, this country faces severe problems financing and servicing the people already here. Many people who have lived here (and contributed to the country's coffers) all their lives are struggling.
It may well be that people from elsewhere have greater struggles, but in my book that is not sufficient reason to place an even greater burden upon those already here.
We cannot look after the entire world and it's time for us to face up to that fact. The authors of the report you cited are no doubt comfortable in their existence. Many people here are not.
If you see that as "I'm alright, Jack" then so be it.
