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If these 2 are found guilty surely another arguement for capital punishment?
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Time and again this question is raised on AB.
Time and again I answer by saying that even if all of the population (including all the members of the Houses of Commons and Lords) wanted it and were prepared to vote in favour of it, it will not happen.
This is because it is forbidden under the 1998 Human Rights Act and is incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).
So it is useless posing the question on capital punishment until you pose the preliminary question �Do you want the 1998 Act repealed and see the UK withdraw from the ECHR?�
The likelihood of that latter question ever being asked and the even smaller likelihood of it being answered in the affirmative under the current or any likely future administration make any questions surrounding the restoration of capital punishment completely irrelevant.
Time and again I answer by saying that even if all of the population (including all the members of the Houses of Commons and Lords) wanted it and were prepared to vote in favour of it, it will not happen.
This is because it is forbidden under the 1998 Human Rights Act and is incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).
So it is useless posing the question on capital punishment until you pose the preliminary question �Do you want the 1998 Act repealed and see the UK withdraw from the ECHR?�
The likelihood of that latter question ever being asked and the even smaller likelihood of it being answered in the affirmative under the current or any likely future administration make any questions surrounding the restoration of capital punishment completely irrelevant.
The facts aren't yet known. There are claims that this young man hasn't been seen for months. If that is the case, where has he been and why didnt' his mother report him missing?
We don't know if the mother was murdered or committed suicide.
We don't know if this was a 'mercy killing' - it can't be easy having a mental age of 18 months in an adult body, or looking after him.
We just don't know enough facts to make any hypothetical judgement.
We don't know if the mother was murdered or committed suicide.
We don't know if this was a 'mercy killing' - it can't be easy having a mental age of 18 months in an adult body, or looking after him.
We just don't know enough facts to make any hypothetical judgement.
I'm not sure I want to answer after that comment about lesser intelligence nedflanders!
Anyway,for what its worth,in my opinion until all the facts of this case are known it is premature to be talking about bringing back the death penalty. Until you have been the carer of a severely disabled child or adult then you have no right to judge.The stresses of the situation are immeasurable and there is very little help or support for carers.
Anyway,for what its worth,in my opinion until all the facts of this case are known it is premature to be talking about bringing back the death penalty. Until you have been the carer of a severely disabled child or adult then you have no right to judge.The stresses of the situation are immeasurable and there is very little help or support for carers.
It�s not a matter of intelligence, ned, and I don�t set myself up as any more intelligent than anybody else.
It�s simply a matter of taking note of what is going on. There is a much wider debate available surrounding this important subject and that is that the will of the people on important matters such as this no longer counts.
Things have changed enormously since the last person was executed in this country in 1968. To tackle those changes many people want to see the restoration of the death penalty. Many others do not. But the idea of democracy is that the electorate get to decide what they want and the executive see that they get it.
This is no longer happening and many important issues (and I do not restrict it to just this one) are being decided behind closed doors by a ruling elite without them necessarily having the support of the people they are supposed to serve.
It�s simply a matter of taking note of what is going on. There is a much wider debate available surrounding this important subject and that is that the will of the people on important matters such as this no longer counts.
Things have changed enormously since the last person was executed in this country in 1968. To tackle those changes many people want to see the restoration of the death penalty. Many others do not. But the idea of democracy is that the electorate get to decide what they want and the executive see that they get it.
This is no longer happening and many important issues (and I do not restrict it to just this one) are being decided behind closed doors by a ruling elite without them necessarily having the support of the people they are supposed to serve.
if there is no chance of bringing back capital punishment then surley we should consider giving longer sentences to all convicted felons, life should mean life, no pussy footing around, if you take a life whether it be by accident or intent then lock the b??tards up for the whole of their life, drink drivers, armed robbers, all of the low life scum that are blighting this country and farther afield, lock em up i say!!
It may well not be a deterrent, libertie. I personally am not convinced however. I'm sure some (though not all) would-be murderers would think twice if they knew that they would be executed if convicted.
However, one thing is certain about capital punishment: it prevents those convicted of some of the most terrible crimes from being released and repeating the offence (which some of them, unfortunately, have done).
However, one thing is certain about capital punishment: it prevents those convicted of some of the most terrible crimes from being released and repeating the offence (which some of them, unfortunately, have done).
Ludicrous reverse psychology there. Really poor. In fact, I suspect you don't even believe it yourselves.
The suggestion that people weigh up the ramifications that rationally is absurd, even more so when you follow the logic of that argument: that people mull over the prospect of life imprisonment and think 'Sounds fine to me' and it's only the prospect of death that they'd balk at. Perhaps if they did the figures would highlight a deterrent effect. They don't though.
Some offenders do repeat offend. So put in place more stringent release controls. Certainly don't use that as justification not just for state-sanctioned murder, but for the state-sanctioned murder of the many, many people who turn out to be wrongly convicted.
The reverse argument carries a whiff of right-wing elitism. It seems to say that a wrongly-convicted person's life is less worthy of protection than a random member of the public, because, "well, if they were convicted they must have been a bit dodgy anyway".
The suggestion that people weigh up the ramifications that rationally is absurd, even more so when you follow the logic of that argument: that people mull over the prospect of life imprisonment and think 'Sounds fine to me' and it's only the prospect of death that they'd balk at. Perhaps if they did the figures would highlight a deterrent effect. They don't though.
Some offenders do repeat offend. So put in place more stringent release controls. Certainly don't use that as justification not just for state-sanctioned murder, but for the state-sanctioned murder of the many, many people who turn out to be wrongly convicted.
The reverse argument carries a whiff of right-wing elitism. It seems to say that a wrongly-convicted person's life is less worthy of protection than a random member of the public, because, "well, if they were convicted they must have been a bit dodgy anyway".
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