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Should the west do more to help the people of Zimbabwe - and if so, what would you like to see happen?
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Amongst the next few developments will be, in no particular order:
Mugabe is shot, or dies - who cares?
Thousands of Zimbabweans flee the country and are welcomed by their neighbours. Britain takes 100,000 and distributes them evenly amongst the rural populations of England.
Britain pledges �5 billion in Aid.
Zimbabwe becomes a world leader in science and society.
Mugabe is shot, or dies - who cares?
Thousands of Zimbabweans flee the country and are welcomed by their neighbours. Britain takes 100,000 and distributes them evenly amongst the rural populations of England.
Britain pledges �5 billion in Aid.
Zimbabwe becomes a world leader in science and society.
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Passing an opinion on this is like passing wind, it gets you noticed for the wrong reasons!
Here's where I risk the racialist mud slinging but here goes .........
I said on another thread that I am deeply suspicious of other cultures that are alien to my own, and here is an example.
Zimbabwe was better off as Rhodesia under Ian Smith, but the black man with his inferior culture of tribalism thought he could do better.
Of course he couldn't as his culture lends itself so easily to corruption. I won't be surprised when South Africa also goes down the pan, although there are enough whites there to hold things together.
Is there any one single country in the whole of mineral rich Africa that has anything approaching democracy coupled with economic efficiency?
Then loads of them come here and demand rights, and more rights, and so on ad infinitum.
But i'd like to see the U.N. send decent troops in and bump mr EE Ba Gum off and impose democratic institutions.
Here's where I risk the racialist mud slinging but here goes .........
I said on another thread that I am deeply suspicious of other cultures that are alien to my own, and here is an example.
Zimbabwe was better off as Rhodesia under Ian Smith, but the black man with his inferior culture of tribalism thought he could do better.
Of course he couldn't as his culture lends itself so easily to corruption. I won't be surprised when South Africa also goes down the pan, although there are enough whites there to hold things together.
Is there any one single country in the whole of mineral rich Africa that has anything approaching democracy coupled with economic efficiency?
Then loads of them come here and demand rights, and more rights, and so on ad infinitum.
But i'd like to see the U.N. send decent troops in and bump mr EE Ba Gum off and impose democratic institutions.
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Absolute crap
western governments tolerated mugabe for years and let him away with murder quite literally.
the majority of the problems in afric ago back to countries who plundered africa like france britain and usa for tolerating certain regimes because they werent communist and friends of russia.
the west carries a lot of the blame.
western governments tolerated mugabe for years and let him away with murder quite literally.
the majority of the problems in afric ago back to countries who plundered africa like france britain and usa for tolerating certain regimes because they werent communist and friends of russia.
the west carries a lot of the blame.
Thats very true, naomi,
I think, after giving it some more thought,.If we in the west do nothing, Mbeki will do nothing, and the end result could well be another holocaust,
The only other option to my way of thinking, would be a military invasion, but that will never happen, the only country that can do something, is S.Africa, and somehow, I can't see it happening.
Holocaust?, the way thngs are going, the odds are more than evens on it.
I think, after giving it some more thought,.If we in the west do nothing, Mbeki will do nothing, and the end result could well be another holocaust,
The only other option to my way of thinking, would be a military invasion, but that will never happen, the only country that can do something, is S.Africa, and somehow, I can't see it happening.
Holocaust?, the way thngs are going, the odds are more than evens on it.
Here goes, but this is my view only.
Europe, or to put it another way, the white races, have, as you know, a colonial history in Africa, and if they interfere, the cry of Colonial interfereing will go up, even if they were to 'invade' alongside a black nation, and as such, I believe, can do hardly anything at all.
Mbeki is the only political leader who can do something, I don't think there's another African nation powerful enough, but thats not likely if this is true.
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Ar ticle.aspx?id=792739
Something Europeans can do, is to stop buying Zimbabwean produce, its that money thats helping to keep mugabe afloat, but other than that, unless they grow another pair of cojones each, there not much will happen.
Europe, or to put it another way, the white races, have, as you know, a colonial history in Africa, and if they interfere, the cry of Colonial interfereing will go up, even if they were to 'invade' alongside a black nation, and as such, I believe, can do hardly anything at all.
Mbeki is the only political leader who can do something, I don't think there's another African nation powerful enough, but thats not likely if this is true.
http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/News/Ar ticle.aspx?id=792739
Something Europeans can do, is to stop buying Zimbabwean produce, its that money thats helping to keep mugabe afloat, but other than that, unless they grow another pair of cojones each, there not much will happen.
Hi Lonnie and naomi, South Africa, I don't think will ever really do anything about this man, it needs pressure, to me the first thing that should be done is to stop, Mugabe and all his henchmen from foreign travel, don't let them l;and anywhere else in the world,
Secondly for China to have a word in his ear, and also all of the wealthy westerners, ie, politicians from the UK investing in Zimbabwe, lots of them specially the tories have huge portfolios invested in the country, greed rules I am afraid and the poor suffer, I still say the ordinary people were far better off under Ian Smith, the people that run the farms now, what farms? haven't got aclue, they just wanted the land, the blacks that worked for the white farmers were treated on the whole very well, I had family out there and the farm was taken, it was the black workers that helped them to get out, they warned tham that gangs were coming to kill them and the Black workers cried when they left, they really loved them, it is very sad, will it end soon? I hope so, eneough is enough.
Secondly for China to have a word in his ear, and also all of the wealthy westerners, ie, politicians from the UK investing in Zimbabwe, lots of them specially the tories have huge portfolios invested in the country, greed rules I am afraid and the poor suffer, I still say the ordinary people were far better off under Ian Smith, the people that run the farms now, what farms? haven't got aclue, they just wanted the land, the blacks that worked for the white farmers were treated on the whole very well, I had family out there and the farm was taken, it was the black workers that helped them to get out, they warned tham that gangs were coming to kill them and the Black workers cried when they left, they really loved them, it is very sad, will it end soon? I hope so, eneough is enough.
Hi naomi and ray,,
Here's another link, hope this one works,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa /thabo-mbeki-tells-mugabe-to-form-unity-govern ment-855427.html
Ray, your right about the pressure, but the way the world is right now, it'll be left to the African nations to exert it, and according to that link, Mugabe is going to Egypt for an African summit.
Thats the place it should happen, but I can't see it happening.
We wait with baited breath to see, by the time Mugabe expires, just how many he will have killed, while our goverments just watch.
Here's another link, hope this one works,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa /thabo-mbeki-tells-mugabe-to-form-unity-govern ment-855427.html
Ray, your right about the pressure, but the way the world is right now, it'll be left to the African nations to exert it, and according to that link, Mugabe is going to Egypt for an African summit.
Thats the place it should happen, but I can't see it happening.
We wait with baited breath to see, by the time Mugabe expires, just how many he will have killed, while our goverments just watch.
Like you, Ray, I know people who had businesses in Rhodesia, and I agree absolutely. It all seems so hopeless now. Our governments make what they deem to be the right noises, but what good does that do? We shouldn't be simply pitying the people of Zimbabwe and waiting for someone else to come along with the solution - we should recognise fully that they are people, that they are very real people - and like all people, they are entitled to live their lives free from tyranny and fear. What an appalling world we live in!
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