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Keyplus90 and the BNP.
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Keyplus 90, I admire your honesty admiting that you vote for the BNP, but I must bring to your attention what you are voting for.
Firstly, I am very right wing myself. However, I do have a heart and a libertarian side.
On the whole, the BNP say EXACTLY the same thing as the three main parties. They want better health services, better pensions, better policing, better wages, better schools etc.etc.etc.
However are you aware they want to send EVERY non-white person back to their country of origin, even it was 100 years ago!!! Even I see human rights issues in that!!!
And they want to make homosexuality a criminal offence. Now, whatever prejudices I may have, I have nothing against gaylords and lezzas. I don't like bi's one bit, but the full way is fine.
And then the BNP want to arm EVERY single household with a gun to "protect" us from invading armies. Mmmmm, I think I put my trust in our armed services and the Police for that, thank you.
Further they are very much anti-semite. Yes the Jews have had their problems with us in history, but on the whole Jews are mighty fine people who make our country great. And Jews are not terrorists here are they? All this nonsense about holocaust denial etc, basically shows the BNP for what they are-----mad.
However, how they are different to the mainstream parties is they will re-introduce the death penalty for terrorists, kiddy fiddlers and murderers, make Islam illegal, rid the country of the PC Brigade and stop ALL asylum and immigration. For these reasons they would definitely get my vote 100%.
However, I feel that the negatives FAR out-weigh the positives they may bring to England and I shall happily put my faith in the Tories, with full backing.
I can not believe that you voted for them. They thrive on success in any small margins.
And SP1814, I am afraid I have to
Firstly, I am very right wing myself. However, I do have a heart and a libertarian side.
On the whole, the BNP say EXACTLY the same thing as the three main parties. They want better health services, better pensions, better policing, better wages, better schools etc.etc.etc.
However are you aware they want to send EVERY non-white person back to their country of origin, even it was 100 years ago!!! Even I see human rights issues in that!!!
And they want to make homosexuality a criminal offence. Now, whatever prejudices I may have, I have nothing against gaylords and lezzas. I don't like bi's one bit, but the full way is fine.
And then the BNP want to arm EVERY single household with a gun to "protect" us from invading armies. Mmmmm, I think I put my trust in our armed services and the Police for that, thank you.
Further they are very much anti-semite. Yes the Jews have had their problems with us in history, but on the whole Jews are mighty fine people who make our country great. And Jews are not terrorists here are they? All this nonsense about holocaust denial etc, basically shows the BNP for what they are-----mad.
However, how they are different to the mainstream parties is they will re-introduce the death penalty for terrorists, kiddy fiddlers and murderers, make Islam illegal, rid the country of the PC Brigade and stop ALL asylum and immigration. For these reasons they would definitely get my vote 100%.
However, I feel that the negatives FAR out-weigh the positives they may bring to England and I shall happily put my faith in the Tories, with full backing.
I can not believe that you voted for them. They thrive on success in any small margins.
And SP1814, I am afraid I have to
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See above^^, where it says ............'I can't quite remember.........',
but seeing as you are here, perhaps you could share with us your thoughts about the holocaust............naturally, any sources would be welcome, too; just so that we can be aure it's not just your personal opinion you are giving.
but seeing as you are here, perhaps you could share with us your thoughts about the holocaust............naturally, any sources would be welcome, too; just so that we can be aure it's not just your personal opinion you are giving.
I know what you want to hear and I have no problem in saying that. Here you go in bold words. I do not deny holocaust but do think that it did not happen at a level it is talked about as it is practically impossible to kill 8.5 million people the way it is talked. It was a Jewish propaganda and even the havoc it creates when you just not agree with it 100% shows that this is something few people or lobbies want you to just believe in it and shut your mouth. There is free speech for anything else but this matter. Does that make you feel good.
keyplus, sorry for doubting you but...
I'm often coming from the same place that you seem to be, especially when Islam gets its regular bashing on these pages.
But every time - without fail - you'll catastrophically undermine that side of the debate by coming out with an clanger so gob-smackingly backward you make it impossible to agree with you. Like Holocaust denial or prehistoric attitudes to homosexuality.
So I reckon... you're either a character being written by the BNP to subtract credibility from Muslims. Or just an unfortunate, genuine PR nightmare for your fellow Muslims.
I'm often coming from the same place that you seem to be, especially when Islam gets its regular bashing on these pages.
But every time - without fail - you'll catastrophically undermine that side of the debate by coming out with an clanger so gob-smackingly backward you make it impossible to agree with you. Like Holocaust denial or prehistoric attitudes to homosexuality.
So I reckon... you're either a character being written by the BNP to subtract credibility from Muslims. Or just an unfortunate, genuine PR nightmare for your fellow Muslims.
I would love to see the BNP get a HUGE number of votes in any election.
NOT that I want them in power, I dont, but I want the 3 "main" parties to realise that many people in this country are sick to death of seeing this country ruined by unrestricted and uncontrolled immigration.
The 3 "main" parties seem to pretend there is no problem in this country with illegal immigration, fake asylum seekers, criminal foreign gangs and so on.
Maybe if the BNP got a high vote they would have to take there head out the sand.
NOT that I want them in power, I dont, but I want the 3 "main" parties to realise that many people in this country are sick to death of seeing this country ruined by unrestricted and uncontrolled immigration.
The 3 "main" parties seem to pretend there is no problem in this country with illegal immigration, fake asylum seekers, criminal foreign gangs and so on.
Maybe if the BNP got a high vote they would have to take there head out the sand.
Keyplus, why is it that anything you find difficult to believe you blame on propaganda of one sort or another? According to you, Ken Bigley and his companions weren't beheaded by Muslims, Muslims weren't responsible for 9/11, Bin Laden is an American agent - but on the other hand he's a hero - as was Saddam Hussein - and the holocaust wasn't really a holocaust at all. Open your eyes, Keyplus. Take yourself to the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem, and take a look, and when you've studied the lists of names the Germans compiled, and watched the films of people being herded into cattle trucks, starved, tortured , murdered, and bulldozed by the thousand into communal graves, then tell us the Holocaust didn't happen precisely as history has recorded. You seem to forget that records of the holocaust aren't just hearsay - it didn't happen hundreds of years ago - it happened within living memory, and there are still many people in the world, Jews and non-Jews, who bear witness to it.
What did I say in the beginning, I said that there has been so much propaganda about this issue that let alone all together denial, you can not even argue about its scale.
Quinlad - If you do not like my PR then I have no regrets as you would rather like PR from Muslims who would add a bit or take a bit just to make you happy. It is true that people who have allowed same sex marriages now a days call others backward and uncivilised. Soon when the proper consequences of these things will come then they would realise who was backward and who was civilised, so far there have only been one known as HIV. Still more to come.
Naomi I am not at all worried about your statements as you have a history of never accepting that others may know better than you do. So just carry on believing what you believe and I would do the same. When time would come I hope one of us will know the truth.
Vehelpfulguy has said almost same what I said in regard to BNP. Any comments on that or all the guns are towards me only. And I know why.
Quinlad - If you do not like my PR then I have no regrets as you would rather like PR from Muslims who would add a bit or take a bit just to make you happy. It is true that people who have allowed same sex marriages now a days call others backward and uncivilised. Soon when the proper consequences of these things will come then they would realise who was backward and who was civilised, so far there have only been one known as HIV. Still more to come.
Naomi I am not at all worried about your statements as you have a history of never accepting that others may know better than you do. So just carry on believing what you believe and I would do the same. When time would come I hope one of us will know the truth.
Vehelpfulguy has said almost same what I said in regard to BNP. Any comments on that or all the guns are towards me only. And I know why.
So do I..............you are a pompous, arrogant berk.
You are ill-informed but refuse to see it..............your world is shaped by your slavish unquestioning adherence to the koran and all that it says, and by your only accepting anything said by Muslim scholars to carry any weight.
You are unable to mention 'same sex marriages' without bringing HIV into the picture...............hmmm....perhaps your Islamic scholars can furnish you with the details for rates of HIV amongst Lesbians...........?
Your eye-watering patronism of women and your oh-so-caring attitude to their well-being, providing they adhere to your Islamic code of conduct would be risible if it wasn't so dangerously policed.
You are ill-informed but refuse to see it..............your world is shaped by your slavish unquestioning adherence to the koran and all that it says, and by your only accepting anything said by Muslim scholars to carry any weight.
You are unable to mention 'same sex marriages' without bringing HIV into the picture...............hmmm....perhaps your Islamic scholars can furnish you with the details for rates of HIV amongst Lesbians...........?
Your eye-watering patronism of women and your oh-so-caring attitude to their well-being, providing they adhere to your Islamic code of conduct would be risible if it wasn't so dangerously policed.
I have a history of catching you out, Keyplus, and nothing else - and you know it. Your problem with me is that I have an excellent memory, and I never forget what you've said in the past. It's become very obvious over time that you don't like educated women who challenge you - and that applies to others too, but to me in particular - and therefore you resort to insults and unfounded accusations whenever the opportunity arises.
You're mistaken about what you said at the beginning. You actually said that the reported scale of the holocaust was Jewish propaganda. Wrong Keyplus. It wasn't propaganda of any description. It happened - and to say otherwise is an insult to the memory of the millions who lost their lives. Shame on you!
You're mistaken about what you said at the beginning. You actually said that the reported scale of the holocaust was Jewish propaganda. Wrong Keyplus. It wasn't propaganda of any description. It happened - and to say otherwise is an insult to the memory of the millions who lost their lives. Shame on you!
Shame on me - Ok fine I am using my free speech right. If it is not Jewish propaganda then what it is? Even American presidential candidates have to pledge that they will protect Israel. Do Israel really need protection and from whom. Israel has more distributed freely weapons than any other country of its size.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/ obama-reaches-out-to-pro-israel-group/
Monkeyeyes � you need to open your eyes too. You would be better of with human eyes instead of a monkey. Only then you should be able to see that the religion which according to you oppress women, is being accepted more and more by Western women. So they must have seen something it apart from oppression. And yes they are better educated and informed than few others claiming here. Just one example should be enough. More than one references can be provided if need. Please do not hesitate contacting me in case you have more phobia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/ obama-reaches-out-to-pro-israel-group/
Monkeyeyes � you need to open your eyes too. You would be better of with human eyes instead of a monkey. Only then you should be able to see that the religion which according to you oppress women, is being accepted more and more by Western women. So they must have seen something it apart from oppression. And yes they are better educated and informed than few others claiming here. Just one example should be enough. More than one references can be provided if need. Please do not hesitate contacting me in case you have more phobia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley
I've not looked at your link since there's little point in citing the politics of today when talking about the holocaust which occurred when the world was a very different place. You may not like what's happening now, but that has no bearing whatsoever upon what Nazi Germany did, and you should acknowledge that.
If it is not Jewish propaganda, then what is it?
It's the truth - and yes, shame on you.
If it is not Jewish propaganda, then what is it?
It's the truth - and yes, shame on you.
Labour are making my life hell what with their taxes and ludicrious rules. I mean we get fined �100 for swearing at a traffic warden, we get taxed to the hilt, arrested for nothing and there are cameras everywhere.
BNP, Monster Raving Looney Party, The Silly Hat Party, i'm all for it. With the way things are going in this country i'm wondering whether Hitler winning the 2nd world war would have been the better option. We might have had no freedom then, but we certainly don't have any now. Even Mugabe seems appealing these days.
BNP, Monster Raving Looney Party, The Silly Hat Party, i'm all for it. With the way things are going in this country i'm wondering whether Hitler winning the 2nd world war would have been the better option. We might have had no freedom then, but we certainly don't have any now. Even Mugabe seems appealing these days.
naomi, i'm not so sure the world now is so different to what it was back then. Insisting that there are no parallels between the politics of today and those of nazi germany dooms us to repeating the same mistakes again.
I know that sounds like the kind of trite maxim you'd read on the back of a beer mat but the worlds of then and now are frighteningly similar. And what makes the holocaust so horrific was that it was carried out by a society not dipsimilar to our own.
But you're right of course. Keyplus's argument is dreadful.
I know that sounds like the kind of trite maxim you'd read on the back of a beer mat but the worlds of then and now are frighteningly similar. And what makes the holocaust so horrific was that it was carried out by a society not dipsimilar to our own.
But you're right of course. Keyplus's argument is dreadful.
What did I say in the beginning, I said that there has been so much propaganda about this issue that let alone all together denial, you can not even argue about its scale.
There's a difference between propaganda and consensus.
I know what you contest is the scale of the holocaust, but the consensus even on that is actually based on very strong evidence (though admittedly the estimated do vary): We have what bureaucracy has survived from those Germans running the holocaust, we have testimonies of people who perpetrated, people who survived, and specific targets written by German higher authorities.
The reason it's difficult to contest it isn't that it's shrouded in propaganda - the reason is that the evidence against you is simply overwhelming. Naturally it has it's faults but so does every piece of historical evidence ever recovered. You can't call a hoax based on minor flaws. You could likely make a case that Vietnam never happened if we gave the same kinds of niggles you point out the same currency.
I know you're going to say that murder on that level isn't physically possible, but in fact it is. In Rwanda, for instance, the murder rate (though obviously not final toll) actually exceeded that estimated of the Nazis. Unless, of course, the Rwandan genocide is part of a minority global conspiracy as well...
And can you actually prove that holocaust 'propaganda' is the work of Jews? Because that's quite a sweeping accusation. Bear in mind that pointing to pro-Zionism isn't evidence, it's just consequence.
There's a difference between propaganda and consensus.
I know what you contest is the scale of the holocaust, but the consensus even on that is actually based on very strong evidence (though admittedly the estimated do vary): We have what bureaucracy has survived from those Germans running the holocaust, we have testimonies of people who perpetrated, people who survived, and specific targets written by German higher authorities.
The reason it's difficult to contest it isn't that it's shrouded in propaganda - the reason is that the evidence against you is simply overwhelming. Naturally it has it's faults but so does every piece of historical evidence ever recovered. You can't call a hoax based on minor flaws. You could likely make a case that Vietnam never happened if we gave the same kinds of niggles you point out the same currency.
I know you're going to say that murder on that level isn't physically possible, but in fact it is. In Rwanda, for instance, the murder rate (though obviously not final toll) actually exceeded that estimated of the Nazis. Unless, of course, the Rwandan genocide is part of a minority global conspiracy as well...
And can you actually prove that holocaust 'propaganda' is the work of Jews? Because that's quite a sweeping accusation. Bear in mind that pointing to pro-Zionism isn't evidence, it's just consequence.
On the whole historical comparison debate:
I don't think it's reasonable to make a direct comparison between Nazi Germany and the modern UK. The sense of crisis and paranoia just isn't on the same scale and we simply don't have a lot of the cultural backdrop.
However, there is a recognisable demagogic core sentiment ('them or us' , or 'they're bringing the country down') on a much smaller scale between the British far-right and the Nazis, in that we can perfectly validly use the Nazis as an example of why we have to be extremely careful of taking it too seriously.
There's a phenomenal difference both in scale/severity and in context but there can be a valid comparison made.
I don't think it's reasonable to make a direct comparison between Nazi Germany and the modern UK. The sense of crisis and paranoia just isn't on the same scale and we simply don't have a lot of the cultural backdrop.
However, there is a recognisable demagogic core sentiment ('them or us' , or 'they're bringing the country down') on a much smaller scale between the British far-right and the Nazis, in that we can perfectly validly use the Nazis as an example of why we have to be extremely careful of taking it too seriously.
There's a phenomenal difference both in scale/severity and in context but there can be a valid comparison made.
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