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Where's the respect gone?
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Do you think we can start to turnaround the feeling of fear over tackling anti-social behaviour and regaining respect for others?
Do you think we can start to turnaround the feeling of fear over tackling anti-social behaviour and regaining respect for others?
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Respect for others is declining rapidy, and I don't think we can turn it around unless we take the problem seriously and introduce harsh penalties. I saw this on tonight's news. Sickening. No doubt the bleeding hearts will be along shortly to tell us why we should sympathise with people who don't give a damn about anyone.
Unbelievable. If a policeman had told me to pick up something I'd thrown when I was 15, I'd have done so immediately and been deeply ashamed of having done something illegal!
I seriously do not understand what's happening to some kids nowadays. No respect, that's for sure! If the loud-mouthed children (some as young as 7!) in my local shop are anything to go by, I sure would not want my future kids to go to the same school!
I seriously do not understand what's happening to some kids nowadays. No respect, that's for sure! If the loud-mouthed children (some as young as 7!) in my local shop are anything to go by, I sure would not want my future kids to go to the same school!
Its the gang culture all over again. Not to be seen a wimp by their peers they behave out of character thinking it will impress them. I have every sympathy with the litter attendants but should they have spoken to the girl more softly as a request in a more delicate manner away from her friends to prevent her losing face?
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No doubt the bleeding hearts will be along shortly to tell us why we should sympathise with people who don't give a damn about anyone.
I don't sympathise with these people - the only debates that we have is how to change people's attitude.
You seem to think that harsher penalties are the answer, I believe that education is the answer.
I don't sympathise with these people - the only debates that we have is how to change people's attitude.
You seem to think that harsher penalties are the answer, I believe that education is the answer.
Yes, here they come.
And how do you propose to educate them? Do you really think they're going to listen to you? Some hope! If you think that, then you don't know teenagers. As I keep saying, education has to start when children are very young - but it isn't happening. Children aren't being educated. If they were, we wouldn't have these problems. Letting kids do as they please all their young lives, and then trying to educate them when they become unruly teenagers is futile. It's too late. The rot has already set in. The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties. If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks. They are laughing at society, and they're laughing at the law - and it's because the soft approach clearly doesn't work. We've tried it for years - and the situation isn't improving - it's getting worse. By failing to guide children properly when they're young, we are guilty of dereliction of duty. It is the responsibility of adults - and parents in particular - to teach children right from wrong. They can't teach themselves, and if we fail in our duty to them, we are doing them no favours at all - as can be seen from the mess we're in now.
And how do you propose to educate them? Do you really think they're going to listen to you? Some hope! If you think that, then you don't know teenagers. As I keep saying, education has to start when children are very young - but it isn't happening. Children aren't being educated. If they were, we wouldn't have these problems. Letting kids do as they please all their young lives, and then trying to educate them when they become unruly teenagers is futile. It's too late. The rot has already set in. The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties. If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks. They are laughing at society, and they're laughing at the law - and it's because the soft approach clearly doesn't work. We've tried it for years - and the situation isn't improving - it's getting worse. By failing to guide children properly when they're young, we are guilty of dereliction of duty. It is the responsibility of adults - and parents in particular - to teach children right from wrong. They can't teach themselves, and if we fail in our duty to them, we are doing them no favours at all - as can be seen from the mess we're in now.
I am unsure if you are talking about this case, or have gone onto something else now?
If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks
I am pretty certain that the police will attempt to catch these kids and have them prosecuted. Whilst we don't have Boot Camps in this country (thank heavens, lets not teach them might = right or shouting loudly gets people to respond to you), the person will be arrested, charged, put in a cell, probably refused bail and then either sentenced to jail or possibly given community service.
How that is 'no comebacks', I don't know.
If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks
I am pretty certain that the police will attempt to catch these kids and have them prosecuted. Whilst we don't have Boot Camps in this country (thank heavens, lets not teach them might = right or shouting loudly gets people to respond to you), the person will be arrested, charged, put in a cell, probably refused bail and then either sentenced to jail or possibly given community service.
How that is 'no comebacks', I don't know.
Luckyman, think it through. I agree with your sentimants but the military of today is very professional and does not want anyone who doesn't want to be there. Imagine a disgruntled yob in charge of a loaded rifle. Would you want to rely on scum like this if you were in Afghanistan and the chips were down ? I know I wouldn't; I would want to be confident that I could rely on my oppos to cover my back.
What I think you want is harsh discipline, strenuous exercise, and a structured punishment and reward system,The Prison service of this country could provide all of this. It would need more police on the ground to apprehend the culprits, a judicial system which reflected the wishes of the law-abiding majority and more prisons which allow a chance of redemption, ie, trades training etc.
What I think you want is harsh discipline, strenuous exercise, and a structured punishment and reward system,The Prison service of this country could provide all of this. It would need more police on the ground to apprehend the culprits, a judicial system which reflected the wishes of the law-abiding majority and more prisons which allow a chance of redemption, ie, trades training etc.
Vic, your blinkers are so firmly fixed, I don't think you've understood a word I've said.
Derek, I agree, and I've said the same as you before. Our servicemen and women need to be able to rely upon their comrades. The services aren't there to sort of out the problems of society - but the discipline they espouse wouldn't go amiss.
Derek, I agree, and I've said the same as you before. Our servicemen and women need to be able to rely upon their comrades. The services aren't there to sort of out the problems of society - but the discipline they espouse wouldn't go amiss.
Naomi - you are right - I don't understand what you mean.
The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties.
You seem to suggest that anti social behaviour such as the one being discussed - assault of a police officer - carries no penalty.
Surely you can't mean that.
The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties.
You seem to suggest that anti social behaviour such as the one being discussed - assault of a police officer - carries no penalty.
Surely you can't mean that.
Your post seems to say otherwise:
Children aren't being educated. If they were, we wouldn't have these problems. Letting kids do as they please all their young lives, and then trying to educate them when they become unruly teenagers is futile. It's too late. The rot has already set in. The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties. If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks. They are laughing at society, and they're laughing at the law - and it's because the soft approach clearly doesn't work.
The above seems to indicate that you don't think kids would be anti social if there was a punishment involved, and there is no punishments for this type of behaviour.
Children aren't being educated. If they were, we wouldn't have these problems. Letting kids do as they please all their young lives, and then trying to educate them when they become unruly teenagers is futile. It's too late. The rot has already set in. The only thing they might understand by that time is that anti-social behaviour carries penalties. If they knew they were going to be embarrassed in front of their mates, and marched off and banged up in a police cell for a few days, or sent to a boot camp, they might think twice being doing what they do. As it is, they do as they please because they know there are no comebacks. They are laughing at society, and they're laughing at the law - and it's because the soft approach clearly doesn't work.
The above seems to indicate that you don't think kids would be anti social if there was a punishment involved, and there is no punishments for this type of behaviour.
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