Law9 mins ago
How can the BNP best disassociate itself from extremist thugs?
Assuming this story is true (and at the moment, police are still investigating), what is the best way for the BNP to tackle the more extreme wing amongst those who support it's stance on race matters?
http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&story=http: //www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/26/muslim- attack-bnp-essex
Of course, the story may be a complete fabrication, in which case, Ramjanally should be prosecuted for wasting police time...but the earlier fire bombing of his home lends some credence to the accusation.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&story=http: //www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/26/muslim- attack-bnp-essex
Of course, the story may be a complete fabrication, in which case, Ramjanally should be prosecuted for wasting police time...but the earlier fire bombing of his home lends some credence to the accusation.
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This quotation from the article made me laugh -
"Councillor Pat Richardson, leader of the BNP group on the local council, said her party was not behind the attacks on Ramjanally. "Firebombing is not a British method. A brick through the window is a British method, but firebombing is not a way of showing displeasure," she said"
Ahh thats all right then :)
"Councillor Pat Richardson, leader of the BNP group on the local council, said her party was not behind the attacks on Ramjanally. "Firebombing is not a British method. A brick through the window is a British method, but firebombing is not a way of showing displeasure," she said"
Ahh thats all right then :)
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When a woman claims to have been raped, I automatically assume she's telling the truth, because the number of false allegations compared to the number of real rapes is tiny.
I feel the same about racist and homophobic attacks. I only mentioned that it could be made up because it might be. This is the line that the local BNP party are currently taking.
I feel the same about racist and homophobic attacks. I only mentioned that it could be made up because it might be. This is the line that the local BNP party are currently taking.
As andy (so rightly) says,why would they want to?
All fascist parties say one thing and act another.
Hitler's browshirts pleaded ignorance of attacks on Jews,but were the very people carrying them out.Then they said that there were lawbreakers about (really temselves) and Hitler brough in severe new laws,which were (surprise surprise) only enforced on Jews!
After Kristallnacht~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
Jews went in fear of their lives,they reported such crimes to the German Civil Police (who did nothing) and passed on these reports to the Nazis,with obvious consequences!
I know,because I as a Jew ended up in a Concentration Camp.I survived,many more did not.
So I have some (practical) experience of fascists such as the BNP.
Even if they make excuses,they are still fascists,take off their disguise,and underneath you will see a Nazi!
Elsie(Mr Veritas Wife).
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Homosexuals
I did not speak out
I was not a Homosexual
When they came for the Disabled
I did not speak out
I was not Disabled
When they came for the Gypsies
I did not speak out
I was not a Gypsy
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out
All fascist parties say one thing and act another.
Hitler's browshirts pleaded ignorance of attacks on Jews,but were the very people carrying them out.Then they said that there were lawbreakers about (really temselves) and Hitler brough in severe new laws,which were (surprise surprise) only enforced on Jews!
After Kristallnacht~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
Jews went in fear of their lives,they reported such crimes to the German Civil Police (who did nothing) and passed on these reports to the Nazis,with obvious consequences!
I know,because I as a Jew ended up in a Concentration Camp.I survived,many more did not.
So I have some (practical) experience of fascists such as the BNP.
Even if they make excuses,they are still fascists,take off their disguise,and underneath you will see a Nazi!
Elsie(Mr Veritas Wife).
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Homosexuals
I did not speak out
I was not a Homosexual
When they came for the Disabled
I did not speak out
I was not Disabled
When they came for the Gypsies
I did not speak out
I was not a Gypsy
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out
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Seems to me to be the typical anti BNP report from the Guardian.
Until the BNP are definitely found guilty of this unjustifiable crime then one should not make incriminating accusations.
Although I personally don't condone such actions I think that for numerous reasons this type of offence will become more common.
The indigenous communities are getting rather fed up with their country being systematically taken over in the futile quest for a multi cultural, multi racist Britain.
This present situation arose from the increasing number of peoples from the Muslim faith using the local communal hall for their prayer sessions.
"The prayer sessions at Murray hall began on 27 March, with nine people worshipping. Now up to 80 people attend.
This hall is in what was once a predominately white area, and although I do not know the hall in question, I presume that before the Muslims had use of it, it was most likely used for typical local area event such as Scout and Guide meetings, mother & baby groups etc etc. But now the locals have visions of their hall turning into a Mosque.
You could say that a similar situation would be for example, a local playing field, that the locals have used for sports or summer f�tes, and now the travelling community have taken over for their camp.
Until the BNP are definitely found guilty of this unjustifiable crime then one should not make incriminating accusations.
Although I personally don't condone such actions I think that for numerous reasons this type of offence will become more common.
The indigenous communities are getting rather fed up with their country being systematically taken over in the futile quest for a multi cultural, multi racist Britain.
This present situation arose from the increasing number of peoples from the Muslim faith using the local communal hall for their prayer sessions.
"The prayer sessions at Murray hall began on 27 March, with nine people worshipping. Now up to 80 people attend.
This hall is in what was once a predominately white area, and although I do not know the hall in question, I presume that before the Muslims had use of it, it was most likely used for typical local area event such as Scout and Guide meetings, mother & baby groups etc etc. But now the locals have visions of their hall turning into a Mosque.
You could say that a similar situation would be for example, a local playing field, that the locals have used for sports or summer f�tes, and now the travelling community have taken over for their camp.
Sadly oldgits reply reminds me(almost word for word) for the German(Nazi) Newspapers in the early 1930's!
For Muslim substitute Jew,and from Mosque substitute Synagogue.
The next thing suggested will be concentration camps for those that are "different".
I survived being in one such camp,I don't want my home (now) to have any.
For Muslim substitute Jew,and from Mosque substitute Synagogue.
The next thing suggested will be concentration camps for those that are "different".
I survived being in one such camp,I don't want my home (now) to have any.
AOG
I agree with you that this kind of behavious by violent thugs cannot be tolerated.
The shocking thing about this story is that the person attacked was hosting prayer meetings. Imagine if a vicar was attacked in the same way!!! It's horrifying that the BNP has unwittingly attracted filth like this. I mean...the poor man's home was firebombed.
Suppose they'd killed someone!
Fingers crossed they catch these lowlifes and jail them for a decade. They shouldn't be on the streets. They're a danger to everyone.
I agree with you that this kind of behavious by violent thugs cannot be tolerated.
The shocking thing about this story is that the person attacked was hosting prayer meetings. Imagine if a vicar was attacked in the same way!!! It's horrifying that the BNP has unwittingly attracted filth like this. I mean...the poor man's home was firebombed.
Suppose they'd killed someone!
Fingers crossed they catch these lowlifes and jail them for a decade. They shouldn't be on the streets. They're a danger to everyone.
AOG
I've just thought of something...did the report say that the Muslim prayer session had actually taken over the community centre, to the exclusion of all other activities, or did they just have an hour per week. I seem to recall reading that on the BBC website.
Could it be argued that Muslims, even if they are local residents, shouldn't be allowed to use community services that they actually pay for with their council tax, unless the BNP give their express consent?
I've just thought of something...did the report say that the Muslim prayer session had actually taken over the community centre, to the exclusion of all other activities, or did they just have an hour per week. I seem to recall reading that on the BBC website.
Could it be argued that Muslims, even if they are local residents, shouldn't be allowed to use community services that they actually pay for with their council tax, unless the BNP give their express consent?
Ah yes theindiginous communities
Because Americans and Australians are always targeted as non-indiginous aren't they.
There are lots of French and Germans who are spat at in the streets and told to go home
No?
This clearly gives the lie to the insistance of BNP apologists like AOG that it is all about foreign "culture".
The biggest infiltration of Foreign culture into this country in the last 50 years is American and I don't see daily rants from him about that!
We know it's racism - he knows it's racism - I can't see whot possible purpose is served by pretending that it's not all about culture and not about what colour your skin is
Because Americans and Australians are always targeted as non-indiginous aren't they.
There are lots of French and Germans who are spat at in the streets and told to go home
No?
This clearly gives the lie to the insistance of BNP apologists like AOG that it is all about foreign "culture".
The biggest infiltration of Foreign culture into this country in the last 50 years is American and I don't see daily rants from him about that!
We know it's racism - he knows it's racism - I can't see whot possible purpose is served by pretending that it's not all about culture and not about what colour your skin is
JTP
Never thought of it that way.
I'm sitting here wearing my Gap jeans, and Calvin Klein t-shirt and earlier today I grabbed a coffee from Starbucks.
Tomorrow, I'm off to see Final Destination 4, and we'll get to the Vue Cinema (formerly Warners, an American chain) in our car which is a Chrystler Jeep (American).
When you think about our high streets, music, film, telly, clothes and even the way kids speak...it's heavily American-influenced.
Wonder what the BNP's stance is on that alien cultural imperialism.
Never thought of it that way.
I'm sitting here wearing my Gap jeans, and Calvin Klein t-shirt and earlier today I grabbed a coffee from Starbucks.
Tomorrow, I'm off to see Final Destination 4, and we'll get to the Vue Cinema (formerly Warners, an American chain) in our car which is a Chrystler Jeep (American).
When you think about our high streets, music, film, telly, clothes and even the way kids speak...it's heavily American-influenced.
Wonder what the BNP's stance is on that alien cultural imperialism.
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