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http://www.dailymail....ang-rape-emotive.html
So the Metropolitan Police say that "Gang Rape" should now be called 'multi-perpetrator rape' because some community activists had previously suggested the phrase 'gang rape' had racist connotations.
Could this be the reason perhaps, why in the past when I have referred to the perpetrators of "Gang Rape" as "SAVAGES" I have also been called "racist"?
So the Metropolitan Police say that "Gang Rape" should now be called 'multi-perpetrator rape' because some community activists had previously suggested the phrase 'gang rape' had racist connotations.
Could this be the reason perhaps, why in the past when I have referred to the perpetrators of "Gang Rape" as "SAVAGES" I have also been called "racist"?
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Quinlad
If you wasn't such an idiot you would have noted that I was replying to sps implication
sps---- words /// you imply behavioural characteristics based purely on race///
My answer----- I have no need to imply, the "FACTS" speak for themselves, whether you like it or not..
Your false interpretation-----/// So you do believe that blacks are inferior to whites?////
My answer "NO" I was merely pointing out that in this case the behavioural characteristics of Blacks, somehow put them in the overall majority.of those most likely to commit gang rape.
/// Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.///
Working upon these figures, will you now admit what makes them do it?
In this case we can;t use the same old worn out excuses, such as poor housing, no male influence, social deprivation, can't even use poor education since it has been proven that black males are not the lowest achievers.
Be interested if you, sp1814 or others can come up with the reason, go on show us how clever you are..
If you wasn't such an idiot you would have noted that I was replying to sps implication
sps---- words /// you imply behavioural characteristics based purely on race///
My answer----- I have no need to imply, the "FACTS" speak for themselves, whether you like it or not..
Your false interpretation-----/// So you do believe that blacks are inferior to whites?////
My answer "NO" I was merely pointing out that in this case the behavioural characteristics of Blacks, somehow put them in the overall majority.of those most likely to commit gang rape.
/// Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.///
Working upon these figures, will you now admit what makes them do it?
In this case we can;t use the same old worn out excuses, such as poor housing, no male influence, social deprivation, can't even use poor education since it has been proven that black males are not the lowest achievers.
Be interested if you, sp1814 or others can come up with the reason, go on show us how clever you are..
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Fine words and a gold in skirting around the issue, but how can you defend your argument by bringing in other unconnected issues.
/// You posted several links to black crimes, right?///
yes simply because you called me a racist for inventing them.
You regularly resort to bring the subject of White paedophiles into the argument. Whatever that has got to do with the subject I don't know. If you yourself find it a reason for discussion then by all means raise it as a question in it's own right, and discontinue using it to try and high-jack my threads in some way.
/// Do you think that will prove the 'facr' that white chaps are predisposed to being kiddy fiddlers?////
Maybe, maybe not, but when you raise the issue of White paedophiles, perhaps you may find some proof, just the same as i have regarding Black gang rapists, which you still haven't addressed by the way.
In case you missed it:
/// One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.////
/// You posted several links to black crimes, right?///
yes simply because you called me a racist for inventing them.
You regularly resort to bring the subject of White paedophiles into the argument. Whatever that has got to do with the subject I don't know. If you yourself find it a reason for discussion then by all means raise it as a question in it's own right, and discontinue using it to try and high-jack my threads in some way.
/// Do you think that will prove the 'facr' that white chaps are predisposed to being kiddy fiddlers?////
Maybe, maybe not, but when you raise the issue of White paedophiles, perhaps you may find some proof, just the same as i have regarding Black gang rapists, which you still haven't addressed by the way.
In case you missed it:
/// One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.////
Zeuhl
I asked "go on show us how clever you are" (I didn't ask you how brave you are)
But here goes you replied
/// OK it's straightforward. /////
/// Is there a behaviour issue in the Afro Caribbean community in Britain regarding gang rapes? from the stats you quote I would say yes there is.There are a number of inter-related behaviour issues in that community particularly pertaining to young males.
/// But it is not a race issue by definition. ///
So that put me firmly off the "Racist" hook.////
/////choosing the word 'savages' (rather than say, monsters) you are referring back to and echoing descriptions from the past's most ill-informed and bigoted attitudes toward the 'Dark Continent' and its inhabitants.////
Once again putting words into my mouth I am not in anyway referring to ther populous of the "Dark Continent" when I refered to "savages" These acts were savage attacks. You suggested I used the word "monsters" I could have used many words, "barbarous",(but that means un-civilised) "bestial",(but that is damming towards animals) or "wolfish" even (once again why call a particular animal).
No damn I don't come under the Met's jurisdiction so it why should I have to choose my words, solely in a PC exercise?
But at least, It now seems that I am not a racist in the true word, but I am if I dare to speak out against the true Africans, but I can't ever remember mentioning the difference between Afro-Caribbeans and the true Africans.
I asked "go on show us how clever you are" (I didn't ask you how brave you are)
But here goes you replied
/// OK it's straightforward. /////
/// Is there a behaviour issue in the Afro Caribbean community in Britain regarding gang rapes? from the stats you quote I would say yes there is.There are a number of inter-related behaviour issues in that community particularly pertaining to young males.
/// But it is not a race issue by definition. ///
So that put me firmly off the "Racist" hook.////
/////choosing the word 'savages' (rather than say, monsters) you are referring back to and echoing descriptions from the past's most ill-informed and bigoted attitudes toward the 'Dark Continent' and its inhabitants.////
Once again putting words into my mouth I am not in anyway referring to ther populous of the "Dark Continent" when I refered to "savages" These acts were savage attacks. You suggested I used the word "monsters" I could have used many words, "barbarous",(but that means un-civilised) "bestial",(but that is damming towards animals) or "wolfish" even (once again why call a particular animal).
No damn I don't come under the Met's jurisdiction so it why should I have to choose my words, solely in a PC exercise?
But at least, It now seems that I am not a racist in the true word, but I am if I dare to speak out against the true Africans, but I can't ever remember mentioning the difference between Afro-Caribbeans and the true Africans.
Zeuhl
You've hit the nail on the head.
AOG - the reason I challenge you on white paedophiles is because you are a racist who ascribes characteristics based on race. So please explain why there are so few stories reported about black paedophiles.
Please try not to skirt around it (for the umpteenth time).
Back to black gang rapists - the figures detailed in the Independent investigation show that there is a shockingly high number of young black men who have been done for gang rape/sexual assault. This is an appalling situation that has to be addressed as quickly as possible.
But young black men have been in the UK for the past 40 years Why is this such a recent phenomenon? Also, why is gun crime such a recent phenomenon.
If it's a cultural thing, well, it shouldve been happening for decades.
It hasn't.
What's changed?
These are the questions that normal people ask themselves - rather than simply saying, "Oh, it's because they're black".
That is a fundamentally silly position to take...because if you think about it...there's no solution. You can't 'solve' race - you can solve poor housing, poor schooling, poor job prospects...but you cannot sold race, can you?
Finally, you talk about 'facts', but what are these 'facts'? Tell me what they prove? That black men are rapists? That black men are more LIKELY to be rapists? That black men in London are more likely to be rapists? That black teenagers in gangs are more likely to get involved in a sexual assualt/gang rape? That black teenagers from certain backgrounds are more likely to pepetrate sexual assualts/rapes?
Which of these 'facts' speaks to you?
So...what do the 'facts' tell you?
You've hit the nail on the head.
AOG - the reason I challenge you on white paedophiles is because you are a racist who ascribes characteristics based on race. So please explain why there are so few stories reported about black paedophiles.
Please try not to skirt around it (for the umpteenth time).
Back to black gang rapists - the figures detailed in the Independent investigation show that there is a shockingly high number of young black men who have been done for gang rape/sexual assault. This is an appalling situation that has to be addressed as quickly as possible.
But young black men have been in the UK for the past 40 years Why is this such a recent phenomenon? Also, why is gun crime such a recent phenomenon.
If it's a cultural thing, well, it shouldve been happening for decades.
It hasn't.
What's changed?
These are the questions that normal people ask themselves - rather than simply saying, "Oh, it's because they're black".
That is a fundamentally silly position to take...because if you think about it...there's no solution. You can't 'solve' race - you can solve poor housing, poor schooling, poor job prospects...but you cannot sold race, can you?
Finally, you talk about 'facts', but what are these 'facts'? Tell me what they prove? That black men are rapists? That black men are more LIKELY to be rapists? That black men in London are more likely to be rapists? That black teenagers in gangs are more likely to get involved in a sexual assualt/gang rape? That black teenagers from certain backgrounds are more likely to pepetrate sexual assualts/rapes?
Which of these 'facts' speaks to you?
So...what do the 'facts' tell you?
"In this case we can't use the same old worn out excuses, such as poor housing, no male influence, social deprivation, can't even use poor education since it has been proven that black males are not the lowest achievers."
Black working class males are the second lowest achievers educationally-speaking in the UK. The only group who score lower are white working class males.
Incidentally, have you ever been to a white kitchen sink estate...the kind of place where (say) Shannon Matthews grew up?
Notice anything? Notice the level of crime? Notice the level of drug use?
Notice a mother taking the life of her and her child because their lives had been made hell?
Notice the herion addicts and the the needles in the stairways?
Notice the prostitutes?
Notice Rhys Jones being murdered?
No...of course you don't.
Why is that?
Seriously - why don't you notice what's going on in run down white communities, the same way that you do in black communities?
Is it because, if you were cut through the middle, we could all read the word RACIST, like you were a stick of Blackpool rock?
Black working class males are the second lowest achievers educationally-speaking in the UK. The only group who score lower are white working class males.
Incidentally, have you ever been to a white kitchen sink estate...the kind of place where (say) Shannon Matthews grew up?
Notice anything? Notice the level of crime? Notice the level of drug use?
Notice a mother taking the life of her and her child because their lives had been made hell?
Notice the herion addicts and the the needles in the stairways?
Notice the prostitutes?
Notice Rhys Jones being murdered?
No...of course you don't.
Why is that?
Seriously - why don't you notice what's going on in run down white communities, the same way that you do in black communities?
Is it because, if you were cut through the middle, we could all read the word RACIST, like you were a stick of Blackpool rock?
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I'm partly with AOG on this one. He should be able to criticise whoever he wants regardless whether or not they are black, yellow, gay, fat or have one leg. The problem here is that if AOG criticises a chinese person for example, nothing is said. If he does it and they are black, he is accused of being a racist. The world has become race obsessed. Even saying the world black now has everyones ears pricked up to see what follows.
If I chose not to go into a shop because the owner was gay, disabled, black, chinese, BNP supporter, Simon Cowell fan etc, that is my choice and there is nothing anyone can do about it, legally or otherwise.
As for the original post. Do I think they are savages? Absolutely, as would they be if they were white Conservative MP's.
If I chose not to go into a shop because the owner was gay, disabled, black, chinese, BNP supporter, Simon Cowell fan etc, that is my choice and there is nothing anyone can do about it, legally or otherwise.
As for the original post. Do I think they are savages? Absolutely, as would they be if they were white Conservative MP's.
socket2008
No, I'm not accusing AOG for being racist for criticising blacks/Asian etc. I'm calling him racist because the vast majority of his posts on race are exclusively anti-black/Adian etc.
Let's say someone posts 50 questions which went along the lines of:
1. Why is it that women are so bad at running a business?
2. Why do women get themselves pregnant? Is it to get council flats?
3. Should businesses be allowed not to employ women of child-bearing age?
4. Are Blair's Babes only in their jobs because of political correctness?
5. Has Hilary Clinton been made Secretary of State because she's a woman?
Etc...
After a while, most people will pick up a running theme and realise that the poster has got a problem with women and his world view is coloured by his sexism. Not saying that AOG shouldn't be allowed to raise questions on race, but if those questions reveal his innate racism, everyone else should be able to point it out.
Free speech is a two way street.
No, I'm not accusing AOG for being racist for criticising blacks/Asian etc. I'm calling him racist because the vast majority of his posts on race are exclusively anti-black/Adian etc.
Let's say someone posts 50 questions which went along the lines of:
1. Why is it that women are so bad at running a business?
2. Why do women get themselves pregnant? Is it to get council flats?
3. Should businesses be allowed not to employ women of child-bearing age?
4. Are Blair's Babes only in their jobs because of political correctness?
5. Has Hilary Clinton been made Secretary of State because she's a woman?
Etc...
After a while, most people will pick up a running theme and realise that the poster has got a problem with women and his world view is coloured by his sexism. Not saying that AOG shouldn't be allowed to raise questions on race, but if those questions reveal his innate racism, everyone else should be able to point it out.
Free speech is a two way street.
Thank you for that socket2008, you put it very well, but I am afraid it stilll won't dislodge that enormous chip sp has on his shoulder.
He forever has his finger on the "racist button" ever ready to press it as soon as he hears blacks being criticised.He even has one for anti gay issues too.
He has even gone to all the trouble of inventing anti female posts just to try and prove his point, that I only pick anti black/Asian posts If he cares to look at my last 5 posts, he will see that apart from this one, that started off by criticising the PC of the Met. The next 4 were about Armistice day, If you were born in 1961, Brown's Britain 2009 (perhaps he thought i said BROWN Britain)? and Yet another Epitaph.
If I happen to post one about Blacks or Asians it is because they happen to be in the news at that time. Perhaps if I pick them out from the news sometimes, it is only because we are not allowed to criticise them out there in the Media gagged state. I do so enjoy the freedom of AB.
He forever has his finger on the "racist button" ever ready to press it as soon as he hears blacks being criticised.He even has one for anti gay issues too.
He has even gone to all the trouble of inventing anti female posts just to try and prove his point, that I only pick anti black/Asian posts If he cares to look at my last 5 posts, he will see that apart from this one, that started off by criticising the PC of the Met. The next 4 were about Armistice day, If you were born in 1961, Brown's Britain 2009 (perhaps he thought i said BROWN Britain)? and Yet another Epitaph.
If I happen to post one about Blacks or Asians it is because they happen to be in the news at that time. Perhaps if I pick them out from the news sometimes, it is only because we are not allowed to criticise them out there in the Media gagged state. I do so enjoy the freedom of AB.
AOG
Stop pretending to be confused. I know and you know that you are not suffering from any kind of dementia, so you understand exactly why I gave examples of sexist posts.
It was to give an example of how a series of posts comes across.
Why are you so adamant that you're not a racist?
Why is it, that so many others here can put forward points regarding race stories without the same accusations being thrown at them?
And what's this 'chip on the shoulder' nonsense?
Out of the two of us, who plays the race card at every turn?
It's you.
So what IS it that made you become so bigotted?
My guess is that something must've happened in the past...or is it that you're simply unhappy with what's happening to the UK and think that immigration is to blame?
Who do you dislike more? West Indians, gays, Asians, Chinese, lesbians?
You could rank them if you want.
These questions aren't meant to attack - it's just that in real life, I don't actually get to meet any bigots (that I know of).
The big question though is - why don't you think you're a racist??? How did you reach that conclusion?
Stop pretending to be confused. I know and you know that you are not suffering from any kind of dementia, so you understand exactly why I gave examples of sexist posts.
It was to give an example of how a series of posts comes across.
Why are you so adamant that you're not a racist?
Why is it, that so many others here can put forward points regarding race stories without the same accusations being thrown at them?
And what's this 'chip on the shoulder' nonsense?
Out of the two of us, who plays the race card at every turn?
It's you.
So what IS it that made you become so bigotted?
My guess is that something must've happened in the past...or is it that you're simply unhappy with what's happening to the UK and think that immigration is to blame?
Who do you dislike more? West Indians, gays, Asians, Chinese, lesbians?
You could rank them if you want.
These questions aren't meant to attack - it's just that in real life, I don't actually get to meet any bigots (that I know of).
The big question though is - why don't you think you're a racist??? How did you reach that conclusion?
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