Shoe bomber sentenced....

[R1Geezer]

Here is the judges ruling, didn't make the news very prominently
http://www.breakthech...usives/reidjudge.html
He makes some good points but the main theme seems to focus on the Islam's approach to freedom.
Why does islam seem to inherently oppose things like freedom liberty etc? In Over reacting to their terrorism are we ourselves curtailing freedom?

[jake-the-peg]

Why do you constantly equate these people with Islam

Did you equate the IRA with Catholicism in the same way?

[Ankou]

it seems to me the judge was talking about an individual, not a movement.

did you read it all ?

[rov1200]

It makes you wonder about sentencing for terrorists. If they had achieved their object of blowing up the plane then mission accomplished and obviously no trial. But because they have failed to blow it up they get a prison sentence.

Maybe, in the US anyway, the crime for attempting this should be given the death penalty.

[jno]

It made the news in 2003, when it happened.

[jake-the-peg]

hopefully rov the yanks have a bit more sense

That'd would be a proparganda victory on a plate

Or do you think the death penalty would deter further suicide bombers?

[Gromit]

It isn't just Islam that hates freedom. Do you think the catholic and Protestant churches gave up their rule over us willingly. Power was taken by the people in this land, not given up by the church. And they haven't given up all their power, they still have Bishops in the Lords to meddle if they want to.

All theocracies do not like democracy because they lose their power. We are fortunate, because we have chosen democracy over religious blind faith. I believe that was the result of universal education. It is no coincidence that religion thrives in countries with poor education and literacy, be it the muslims in the middle east or the christians in south America.

I agree that passing laws that take away our freedoms is doing the religious inspired terrorists job for them.

The big mistake you make Geezer is referring to Islam as a single bad thing. There are many versions of islam most of which are harmless to you and me. You prefer to take the most extreme version, and tar all muslims with the same brush. To decide all muslims, even the man in the cornershop, are potential terrorists because they are muslim, is hysteric and just as backward as the religious extremist who believe all non believers can be killed.

[youngmafbog]

Jake, perhaps because he did it in the name of Islam ?

Gromit, some very valid points but what needs to happen is that the moderate Muslim comunity need to "grass up" the ones wishing us harm

Until they do this 100% they will be classified with the nutters

My opinion is of course, all religions are evil.

[jake-the-peg]

Oh what a logical non-sequitur!

So If I commited an attrocity in the name of the Queen would that make the monarch evil?

[tamborine]

he wanted to go to USA - he's happy and so are we as he wont be a drain on tax payers here ;)

[youngmafbog]

Jake, if enough did it, yes it may be.

Sometimes I really wonder how (if) your brain works

[jake-the-peg]

Oh my goodness you really are in never never land over there aren't you?

How many of the worlds 1.5 Billion muslims do you think are terrorists?

[tamborine]

most muslim terrorists are youths, hyped up by older muslim-men yearning for some power the only way they can - usually DHSS older muslim-men who have nowt to loose!

Beware whom your young men mix with.