body scanners, do we have any privacy ?

[DrFilth]

http://www.manchester...r_refusing_naked_scan

[Sandy-Wroe]

If they didn't want to go through the scan they could have been offered the option of a full body search.
Their right to privacy needs to be balanced against the rights of the other people on the plane to a degree of security.

[ummmm]

I can't see the problem. This is about safety for all of us...not privacy. It's a sign of the times.

[Old_Geezer]

All your basic rights are being removed as 'not important' in today's world. And it seems folk are happy to see it happen.

Here is a case of no dignity nor respect for the individual, in the hunt for appearing to be trying for perfect safety. The fact that it isn't going to stop any determined terrorist seems to have passed the authorities by.

[McMouse]

I demand to travel naked.

[anotheoldgit]

Old_Geezer

Don't you fly much?

Perhaps you would also like to see an end to all security measures in airports?

I mean in your words /// it isn't going to stop any determined terrorist ///

So why bother?.

[DrFilth]

sandy and old geezer are spot on , bit by bit we are losing everyting in this country.
when they decided to use these scanners they said people would be offered to be search by hand no one would be forced to use them.

[DrFilth]

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rBDUJTnNU

[naomi24]

They refused the scan and opted instead to forego their flight. Their choice.

It seems we don't have any privacy, but if these machines are deemed necessary, rather that than lax security. My only concern is that they can't detect anything untoward hidden inside ... err .... orifices, so do they really do the job? I was reading an article recently that said specially trained sniffer dogs would be far more effective.

[tamborine]

nice - someone wants to see my 'all'.....wish it was a thrilling touch-up instead ;)

[jno]

"if these machines are deemed necessary"... oh, they are... by the security industry and by politicians eager to come up with knee-jerk 'anti-terror' measures.

Personally, I would have thought the continuing calamities with, for instance, government computer systems would be a warning about what happens when ministers decide to spend your billions on new technology. Here's some background from the USA:

http://www.consumertr...-whole-body-scanners/

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

Wouldn't you bother about sniffer dogs sniffing around your privates then?

[Old_Geezer]

What a ridiculous suggestion, that anyone would like to see an end to all security measures. There is a balance to be made between sensible precautions and the abuse of individual citizens. And one needs to shy away from indicating to decent folk that they are worth nothing, they are just there to endure anything the authorities want to inflict on them. Treating folk so their life is to be made as unpleasant as the authorities decide and they have no say in the matter. This is not the world we should be encouraging, it is a world where the terrorist has won. And the authorities are guilty of achieving it.

And ones right to fly should not be removed simply because one insists on ones right to privacy and respect. Seems to me the more obvious solution is not to bar those who want to be treated in a reasonable fashion, but to allow those who do not think it safe otherwise to make their own arrangements.

It's not as if the scanner is going to help much, if at all. It's unlikely to detect things inside your body, so it is all illusion for the paranoid anyway. Which can not be said for traditional tested methods of security.

[Androcles]

She might enjoy it!

[McMouse]

There's no security check, whether full body search or scanner, which will stop a crazy pilot flying a fully laden and fuelled plane into a building.

[naomi24]

AOG, from your comment to Geezer I gained the impression that you were a frequent flyer, but obviously not. Sniffer dogs are often used at airports, and surprisingly enough they are so well trained they don't need to sniff at any particular part of the anatomy to find what they are looking for.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Seems to me the more obvious solution is not to bar those who want to be treated in a reasonable fashion, but to allow those who do not think it safe otherwise to make their own arrangements. ///

Better still has already been suggested, all those that refuse to go through the scanner, board another plane.

I don't think there would be a very long passenger list for the minimum security flight.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

You know nothing at all about my flying experiences.

But it is obviously that you know nothing at all about sniffer dogs, they are very clever no one is doubting that, but they are not clever enough to detect anything hidden inside the human body.

Unless of course the "blue touch paper" is hanging out.