Noo Labour spending plans.....

[R1Geezer]

The EU are ordering the governement to rein in the spending but it is widely believed this may well tip us into recesion. So what is Gordon to do? Steal Tory policy or defy the EU? Tough one Gordon!

[youngmafbog]

I suggest he asks the real labour party leaders Wheelan and Woodley of Unite. Brown is only a puppet since he sold his soul to the devil for 11 M.

Soon be a commie state.

[Gromit]

[ Government rejects EU call to cut deficit faster

Liam Byrne says European commission proposals were 'too aggressive' and could cause 'irreparable damage' to public services

The government today rejected a warning from the European commission that Britain will fail to cut its deficit in accordance with EU rules.

According to leaks of a report last night, the commission will warn that the UK will not meet the 2014-15 deadline for reducing its budget deficit to below 3% of national output.

But Liam Byrne, the chief secretary to the Treasury, insisted today that the EU assessment was "wrong". ]

http://www.guardian.c...to-cut-deficit-faster

[Gromit]

// Government rejects EU call to cut deficit faster

Liam Byrne says European commission proposals were 'too aggressive' and could cause 'irreparable damage' to public services

The government today rejected a warning from the European commission that Britain will fail to cut its deficit in accordance with EU rules.

According to leaks of a report last night, the commission will warn that the UK will not meet the 2014-15 deadline for reducing its budget deficit to below 3% of national output.

But Liam Byrne, the chief secretary to the Treasury, insisted today that the EU assessment was "wrong". //

http://www.guardian.c...to-cut-deficit-faster

[R1Geezer]

He said it twice Gromit?!

[Davethedog]

Tories have a policy? When do they plan to tell the country?

[R1Geezer]

As the opposition the Tories are not in a position to give detailed intentions, mischevious journalists would like specifics but in reality the Tories have the data all they can give are broad intentions. The general intention is to cut public spending and they have said that they'll have a budget within 60 days should they win. The public sector has grown out of control as it always does under Labour so there will be easy cuts there. I do accept the whole recession argument though and would urge a slow build up of public spending cuts but cuts we must have of the hundreds of thousands of "non jobs" created by Labour for their core voters.

[sherminator]

The only things we know from Tories is that they will introduce a married couples allowance and raise IHT!! both will make rich people richer and not help cut the deficit!

I wont be voting tory!

[Gromit]

// As the opposition the Tories are not in a position to give detailed intentions, mischevious journalists would like specifics but in reality the Tories have the data all they can give are broad intentions. //

The Conservative's manifesto is just a series of crowd pleasing statements, with no explanation of how they will be achieved.

ECONOMY - Cutting the cost of Whitehall - How?
HEALTH - Improving cancer and stroke survival rates - How?
EDUCATION - Making it easier for teachers to use reasonable force to combat violence in the classroom - How?
TAX - Freezing council tax for two years - How without cutting services?
EUROPE - Greater protection against EU encroachment - How?
DEFENCE - Maximising efficiency in the Ministry of Defence - How?
ENVIRONMENT - Transforming electricity networks What?
FOREIGN - Reforming older institutions such as the UN - How?
TRANSPORT - Making local transport greener - How?
BUSINESS - Making Britain Europe's leading hi-tech exporter - how?

It is unprecidented as long as I can remember, that a Party seeking election with less than 7 weeks to a General Election, have not detailed their policies.

[youngmafbog]

Gromit. As I am sure you well know the Tories do not have acces to what are probably devastating books. I'm sure Noo labour would love to push the Tories into promises Noo Labour know there is not the brass to pay for. Add to that Noo labour spin (lies to most people) and there is not much more at this point they can do. Same applies to the lib dems.

Added to all of that we all know Brown is not above knicking policies from others. Best to keep quiet until the election is called. Which of course Bottler still has not done. Clinging to the last bit of power, must say nice of him to put the country first.

[R1Geezer]

well as I said Gromit, broad intentions. They cannot possibly get credible detail until they see the state of what they inherit. I think they may well have ideas in the areas you state but they also don't want them half inched by the other parties. Labour are making noises too without much substance.

[Gromit]

TRANSPORT - Making local transport greener

Would that be introducing the Congestion charge nationwide and Motorway Tolls giving low or zero emission vehicles an exemption?

Would the public vote for that if they were given the detail? And why do you need access to the books to tell us how to make local transport greener. If they don't know that Greener Local transport can be delivered without looking at the books, then they should not promise it

[rojash]

I would have answered earlier, but I just couldn't stop laughing at the hilarious joke of spelling it "Noo".
Gosh, it's just so witty, and so pertinent.

The EU aren't (and can't) order the government to reign in spending - they are expressing their opinions. Meantime, the IMF are expressing the opinion that the Taries (geddit? Hilarious!) plans are likely to cause a long term depression.

[R1Geezer]

You can't know what measures are feasable without seeing the books. You'd be the first to have a fit if they gave out loads of detail and costings then found the cupborad was bare when they openned it. I don't see Labour or the Libdems giving out much detail either. They are not promising anything that's the point, they are stating general intentions.

[sherminator]

yes i think the conservabories will be bad if not worse than the current lot!

[Gromit]

Sorry Geezer, but that is utter rubbish. Every opposition has to make educated guesses about what they will inherit.

And when the election is called, then the Conservatives will publish their manifesto which will not be these vague themes that they are pushing at present. Their policies will have been worked out for at least a year.

They are not going to go into No10 look at the books and then decide what they are going to do - they know exactly what they will do, they just seem reluctant to tell us.

[R1Geezer]

"..when the election is called, then the Conservatives will publish their manifesto which will not be these vague themes that they are pushing at present. Their policies will have been worked out for at least a year. "

so you think they are keeping the detail under wraps then? Why should they spill the beans now to please the opposition? Maybe they are keeping it quiet so Noo Labour don't nick it and claim it for themselves. After all they had to pretend to be the Tories to get elected in the first place!

[Gromit]

R1Geezer

And the Tories are pretending NOT to be Tories to get elected.

[modeller]

sherminter So you don't want working class couples to get an allowance in case richer people get it as well . That's it stick to your Socialist principles, keep everyone on the bottom rung. Howabout all those working class people who struggled to own a home in the London area and whose children will not be able to inherit the family home because IHT has failed to keep pace with inflation. No of course we can't have that, inheritance is a dirty word in the Socialist bible.

[sherminator]

except Modeller you are LESS likely to be married if you're working class. So they wont get any benefit that middle/richer class will get as they'll be less likely to be married in first place. also Why should I a single hard working person get disadvantaged cause I have no intention to ever marry? Damn right i dont believe in it!

There is a difference in keeping pace with inflation and moving from 325k to 1 million in one go thats just an absurd amount especially when the country has a huge debt to plug!

seriously come back when you have an actual argument and not just some tripe about socialism.

[modeller]

sherminter What do you mean working class are less likely to married ? On my estate we are all working class and I don't know of any who are not married . Are you against any increase in IHT ? If so you can't vote Labour because they are also in favour, so much so many expected it in the last budget. As for single compared to marriage ask the social workers which environment is the most stable and best for chidren. As far as the deficit is concerned no government will be able to throw money around but that does not preclude them from having aims for the future. All the EU is doing is sounding a warning .