School trip to the Mosque.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....--branded-truant.html

Whereas I agree that anyone visiting a mosque or any other Religious building should respect the particular dress code.

What I don't agree with that these pupils were forced to attend or be marked as a truant, as regards paying for the privilege that takes the biscuit. If there is a charge then the visit should be voluntary.

What I would like to know, was the trip the mind child of the Headmaster or not?
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[DrFilth]

well spotted boo, got aol on my mind

aog yes

[stonekicker]

i must say i tend to agree with some of the aspects of islam that molly has raised. some muslims do engage in the harsher interpretations of the koran and as such, their practices are fairly disgusting. women being stoned to death for adultery, being forced to wear the burkha (although others choose to); punishment of criminals like cutting off hands and public hangings. those parts remind me of medieval practices of our own society, except we seem to have realised that these things are no longer acceptable and engage in more humane treatment of criminals/adulterers etc. in a modern worldwide society, you do have to wonder what kind of role this behaviour has within international relations and progression. mollykins is certainly right in saying that women get a raw deal compared to men within this religion/culture and that certainly makes me very uncomfortable coming from a society where we ladies have fought for equal rights over a long period of time. men are also donig so as well; i.e. paternity pay/time off etc. actions in nations such as china, afghanistan, stria, iraq, iran etc. worry me and sometimes disgust me when you hear of the barbaric practices you hear of. as a psych nurse, i have also come across patients who have claimed asylum due to their mental health problems as they would be castigated, made an outcast or even physically punished within their own society for being bonkers. how can that kind of behaviour be right? i even think the catholic church should hold their heads in shame given the current scandals they are embroiled in and how priests can preach what they do and carry on as if nothing has happened turns my stomach...

[stonekicker]

red helen - sorry too. shouldn't take things so personally. as for mollykins, remember that she is of an age where dealing with alternative opionions will be difficult. but...she is engaging in a grown up fashion for her age (i think) and is trying to stay on board wih the discussion...x

[DrFilth]

stonekicker do you class all your patients with mental health problems as being bonkers ?

[joeluke]

Making children dress as a muslim? What a joke, no child of mine would be doing this.

Or will this school also arrange a trip to the local church and make muslim children dress in typical English dress?

Perhaps we will respect their religion when they start to respect ours - which ain't never gonna happen

[stonekicker]

dr filth - sometimes. but i also have mental health problems and can behave like a box of frogs myself when really under the weather. of course, when i am at work i am a tad moe professional...but at the end of the day, patients wouldn't be patients unless they were a little bit off colour now, would they? i mean no offence to anyone when i use that term and certainly could include myself in that description at times. you should hear how some of my colleagues describe and address patients at times...and then wonder why they get shouted at/threatened/complaints made about them. some of them have dowright disgusting views of patients and it is very, very frustrating working with them and i have complained about several of them in my time as a nurse. the best one i ever heard was from a nurse who was also a born-again christian. he claimed if he took said patient to his church, he could 'cure' them of their ills...disgusting x

[susiespider]

It would be interesting to know how many people on here actually know any Muslims, and have spoken to them. Not many I imagine. I work with several Muslims, and they are a million miles away from some of the strange ideas some of the people on here seem to have. None of the women wear burkas, or anything like it. I've had many interesting chats with one of the young men about his religion and it's enlightened me a lot. There are extremists in any society but they are the exception rather than the rule and all the Muslims I know are perfectly normal, certainly not fanatical in any way. Perhaps if that young girl had gone on the trip she might have gained something.

[DrFilth]

eddie two points

'What really infuriates me is that if she wore leggings to school, she would be told to take them off because they're not school uniform.


'The next thing Amy was in Mr Lee's office with three other kids being told it was a compulsory trip. He gave me a parent consent form, but I didn't give my consent and I was told it would be an unauthorised absence.

[DrFilth]

who is telling the porkes

The dress code was for girls just to have a simple head scarf in addition to normal school uniform

the school
the mail
the mother

[stonekicker]

it's a bit like the old saying that one should never discuss it at dinner...along with politics. is certainly true in my house - my family are devout catholics (i am naughtily lapsed) and my hubby was brought up a jw until disfellowshipped by divorcing her wife/child battering husband (he is still a jw, btw). parents vote conservative, mr kicker labour and i always punt for the lib dems. this has led to funny, shocking and sometimes downright rude (and shouty) conversations. i have now banned them in my house and (for the most part) it has worked...x

[boxtops]

Susie I agree with your point, well made. I know many Muslims personally and have spent plenty of time in Muslim countries. A lot of what has been said here is extremes and none of the people I know behave - or would entertain behaving - in the ways being identified here. Whether people agree with it or not then are plenty of Muslim converts living in the UK, they dress "normally" but cover their heads in the mosque in the same way that Catholics may put on the lacy headscarf to go to mass. You can't tell someone's religion by looking at them, unless they choose to identify by the way they dress. The queue at your local railway station will contain all sorts, and only a very tiny percentage will be extremists. I think we are getting away from AOG's OP which was agreeing with the requirement to wear an appropriate dress code in the mosque, but questioning the correctness of being marked as a truant if they didn't dress appropriately. It's only a school trip, nobody was suggesting they convert - the more we all learn about each others' cultures and religious beliefs, the better we might understand each other.

[DEN53]

Molly - have you thought about going into politics - you have certainly held your own on this post and not backed down - in funny sort of way I take my hat off to you.

[DrFilth]

eddie did you forget about the leggings ?

[Coobeastie]

Molly the Catholics can be just as bad.

9 year old raped by her step father becomes pregnant. After she is taken to hospital with stomach pains an abortion is carried out. The Church then excommunicates the mother and doctors involved , the girl isn't purely because of her age....and the step father well he'd comitted a heinous crime in the opinion of the Church but not sufficient to be chucked out.

http://www.independen...e-victim-1640165.html

[DrFilth]

eddie is that a yes or a no about the leggings

did you leave it out to make the mail look bad ?

[dzug2]

<< what about if they were devote to a different religion? >>

All the more reason to go.