Those rogue Afghans

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/397y2ue

This time a rogue Afghan soldier, a few months ago a rogue Afghan policeman, can anyone (who apparently we are out there to protect), be trusted?

When our forces happen to accidentally inflict harm on the Afghans, all hell breaks loose, inquiries swiftly organised, and our troops harshly criticised on sites such as this.

I wonder what the response will now be over this terrible slaughter, carried out by a member of a savage religion.

No use saying these are in the minority, and most Muslims are peace loving, if you where out in Afghanistan who would you really trust?

[Ankou]

aog, really, was there any poin in you coming back to this thread with that ridiculous diatribe that really added nothing other than you looking even sillier in a deeper hole.

you don't disgust me, you amuse me. much like a smile of mirth i have when my own daughter has a little tantrum and rolls around on the floor wailing. she's 1.

whether you consider it our invasion of afghanistan is irrelevant, thats how the afghans see it. what is relevant though is jnos q, so why swereve so spectaculalry away from it. goofy.

[Seadragon]

Ok - take 1st point back. I didn't read it properly.

2nd - I disagree with your interpretation.

3rd - It is my opinion.

Next - You're wrong. I think you need to look up terrorism. Besides why do you think Hamid Karzai is so cozy with the Amercians? Or should that be the other way round?

You do avoid the issue - time and your belief is an excuse. 'Worth replying to' - well that sums it up. You like to be controversial but can't deal with controversial truths about your own beliefs.

There's not one person on this site who doesn't sympathize with the loss/maim of life of a soldier. I think I can pretty safely say that.

What was your final point?.......oh yes

- come on spit it out, instead of criticising others for name calling, come out with it yourself and say it "you disgust me'.

I will say that after having given you the benefit of doubt, that being the 'idiot' that I am who always learns the hard way, even when I am told by others that a particular person is such and such yet until I experience for myself that element in someone I will always give others a chance.

I was wrong.

But I have yet to say the words you ascribe me. Your posts/opinions may be 'disgusting' but never have I ever called anyone 'disgusting'. I'm not that great a person but I certaintly don't sink too those depths.

I am p!ssed off now and not returning to this thread.

[Seadragon]

As Ankou says - you are not going to answer it so there's nothing to add.

[anotheoldgit]

Seadragon

I know you will still be looking in so I will say I am sorry that I have got you as you have politely put it 'ruffled around the boa, you really must learn to calm down a little.

Is it any wonder that I don't consider your very long rants, good argument, you see you get many things totally wrong in your excitement, at your oewn admission you don't read things correctly.

[keyplus90]

///////keyplus...the 'western' trained Afghan kills rogue Afghans (those who do not recognise the elected Government)......that's how democracy works.///////

We did the same then. We did not recognise Taliban's ELECTED Government. And we do not recognise HAMMAS's elected Government either.

[keyplus90]

And I guess thats how our standard of democracy works.

[anotheoldgit]

Ankou

How many more times must I tell you and others, it is not an invasion of Afghanistan?

I will repeat the Afghan.Government want us there, there is ample proof to prove this, are we not fighting side by side with the Afghan Army and Police?

We have promised to withdraw our troops when the Afghan forces are considered able enough to defend their country themselves, although the Afghan. Government would like us to stay much longer.

So please prove to all and sundry that the Afghan people consider this an invasion, if you can't then I suggest that you go away with your tail between your legs.

Incidentally I would have thought you being a father of a 1 year old child (but why you had to bring this into the equation I just do not know) you would have been mature enough to make a reasonable argument, without the need to once again resort to petty name calling insults.

/// what is relevant though is jnos q, so why swereve so spectaculalry away from it. goofy. ///

Did your daughter help you to write this?

[Ankou]

the mod term it : military intervention.which basically is the deliberate act of a nation or a group of nations to introduce its military forces into the course of an existing controversy. i.e. we invaded afganistan believeing the 911 terrorists to be there.

i shrug my shoulders at the insult at your last sentence. i care not.

can you just answer jnos question.

[thetruthhurts]

jno's point

"you haven't really answered the question, aog: had Hitler occupied Britain, would you have joined the resistance and, if necessary, disguised yourself as a German in order to kill a few of them? Or would you refuse on the grounds that it was 'cowardly'?"

How is it irrelevant? He asked you a question, now please have the guts to answer it.

[anotheoldgit]

Al-right if you insist, although I think it is such an irreverent question, I will answer it just to clock up the 50.

/// Had Hitler occupied Britain, would you have joined the resistance and, if necessary, disguised yourself as a German in order to kill a few of them? Or would you refuse on the grounds that it was 'cowardly'?" ///

First it would have been the Nazi/German forces which would have invaded, not Hitler personally.

Yes like all good patriots i would like to say I would have joined the resistance given the chance.

Regarding would I have dressed up in a German uniform to kill a few of them, i don't think that would be likely seeing that most resistance fighters wore civilian clothes.

In conclusion, I doubt very much that I could dress up in an enemy uniform, join their forces, chatted, laughed and drank with them, only to creep up on them and murder them in their sleep.

I consider that cowardly, but then I am an Englishman, this is how we are.

[thetruthhurts]

AOG, what a great politician you are, please don't take that as a compliment, I simply mean you are very good at interpreting a question to suit your opinion and totally avoiding a straight question. I REFUSE IN FUTURE TO LOOK AT ANY THREADS IN FUTURE STARTED BY YOU. If I want to answer questions on the same intelligence level..........I'll talk to my cat.

[Ankou]

aog, the act of perfidy was historicall seen as quite legitimate in times of war. in fact your stance that you wouldn't do it is perhaps more reminiscenct of that term 'a yoghurt knitter' i think. you fool.

the sas paratroopers were knwon for donning enemy uniforms to infiltrate high protection facilities during ww2, and thank the stars they did.

[Seadragon]

You're right - I have looked in - only really to say that:

Paedophiles disgust me.

I only admit to not reading this one admission which I recalled upon from yesterday bypassing all previous posts today, shameful I admit.
I do actually read thoroughly - in fact I do alot of reading. Something I have asked you to practise.

I accept your apology and I don't get that p!ssed off - you don't need to worry.

[Zeuhl]

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[jno]

my question irreverent?? I'll have you know I was on my knees in the chapel when I typed it.

Anyway, a perfectly fair answer: you would not have resorted to disguise and deception had you joined the resistance. This rather suggests you would have put your personal standards of honour above the survival of your country (you always seem rather cross when immigrants do the same thing); but that is a genuine moral dilemma and others might have responded in the same way as you.

As Ankou has pointed out, however, the nation - and you - are in the debt of those who made the opposite choice.

As for Afghanistan, we invaded it precisely to overthrow the government - which at the time was the Taliban - and have since set up a regime that is more favourable to the west but not very good.

[Kromovaracun]

AOG:

I think you've misinterpreted jno's question.

What he was essentially asking would that if you would consider cloak-and-dagger style killings in war as 'cowardly' if it were done so in the context of an equivalent foreign military occupation in the UK. I'm not sure if you knew you were doing it, but you kind of evaded it because I think the German example was just demonstrative.

So, to put it another way, are such methods 'cowardly' if they're practised by us?

[jno]

Kromovaracun is correct.

[anotheoldgit]

Seadragon

/// I am p!ssed off now and not returning to this thread./// Posted 15.00 Wed

Returned to thread only 3 mins later to say,

/// As Ankou says - you are not going to answer it so there's nothing to add.///

/// I am p!ssed off now ./// Posted 15.00 Wed

/// I don't get that p!ssed off - you don't need to worry./// Posted 18.30 Wed.

/// I do actually read thoroughly - in fact I do alot of reading./// posted 18.30 Wed.

/// Ok - take 1st point back. I didn't read it properly. /// Posted 15.00 Wed.

Can I believe in anything you say?

[Ankou]

wow, a post that contained at least seven words written by you.

have another go and see if you can improve on that, go on, theres a good lad.

try to make a point this time though, as its largely waffley tripe.

[andy-hughes]

I think there is a danger - inherent in long threads where passions run high - that we are getting sidetracked by pockets of individual exchanges between Posters about each others' comments, which are taking us further away from the original Question.

Shall we try to keep to the Question under discussion with the tacit agreement that everyone has an equal right to both hold and express their opinion - a fundamental aspect of the AB we all enjoy - and not go wandering down side-roads of recrimination between individuals which gets in the way of mature debate.