I too despair for humanity

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.guardian.c...ght-supervision-order

I first had to read the previous post before I started on my subject in case serminator was posting on the same subject.

But no his post was about a bull, yet my 'despair for humanity' was regarding this attempted child gang rape by two (under the age of criminal conviction) disgusting little savages.

These two little cretins got off almost scot free, all they got was a supervision order and made to sign the sex offenders register, for attempting to gang rape an eight year old girl.

[sara3]

this case confused me. didn't the girl say she'd made it up as she thought her mum wouldn't give her any sweets?

I thought the trial would have come to an end then.

[Bbbananas]

I agree sara - I thought I'd read that somewhere too, that she'd concocted the story.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.timesonlin...me/article7135190.ece

You are correct, this seems rather strange.

/// The girl claimed last October that the boys had dragged her to a block of flats and kept her in a bin shed as they repeatedly raped her near her home in Hayes, west London, but she later retracted the story during cross-examination, saying she had made it up to avoid getting into trouble. ///

[chelle7272]

Yes this confused me too. If she admitted making it up, why are they found guilty of attempted rape? There must be more to it than we have read in the papers

[sherminator]

I really have no idea why my post is mentioned in this one? Why you're taking a personal interest in my post i have no idea? Is this some kind of one-up-man-ship?
Is my post too trivial because its not about babys getting killed or black people doing stuff wrong? Are we only allowed to post on the most absolute dispiciable? then why is there a daily theread from you on some poor people collecting benefits?

Concentrate on your own posts and let other people express their opinions in peace! Especially when they have abaolutely no bearing on your life!

[anotheoldgit]

sherminator

Calm down, calm down, why are you getting so shirty?

I was simply pointing out my chain of thought as an introductory.

I had heard about this case on the radio and when I came on answer bank to air my views on the case I saw your headline, and having been pulled over the coals previously because I had dared to duplicate a story, I thought I would open yours up first to see, only to find this wasn't about the child but a bull.

Due to the fact that I am criticised extensively no matter what I post on any particular subject, perhaps you could lead the field and post rules of deployment that A.O.G. should adhere to but everyone else can ignore?

[LoftyLottie]

Sherminator, I thought the same - it was AOG's way of being derogatory (I think) as yours was about animals and his is about humans. Compassion applies to both in my opinion. Because we feel sorry for animals doesn't mean we are unsympathetic to humans.

[LoftyLottie]

So why AOG did you use a similar heading. Sorry, you are giving a poor excuse here.

[anotheoldgit]

I don't mind you criticising me when I warrant it, but I won't stand you telling lies about me.

/// then why is there a daily theread from you on some poor people collecting benefits? ///

Daily thread on some poor people collecting benefits??????? prove it.

[sandyRoe]

The boys involved are only children. You'd wonder what sort of a home life they have that they would do this.
AOG, what do you think would have been an appropriate sentence for them?

[anotheoldgit]

LofftyLottie

Do I now have to ask your permission on what headlines I use?

Come to think about it, I also don't have to make excuses to you or anyone else.

Get a life.

[LoftyLottie]

'Get a Life' - Tired old expression AOG. But suits you. I don't usually come on your threads for that reason - Tired and old. I have a nice life thanks. I don't sit on here all day. Bye bye.

[anotheoldgit]

Well sandy I don't think in this case one can automatically blame their home life.

Perhaps one can blame the general decline in morals, lack of self respect, and not being frightened of the consequences of their actions.

I don't think they should have been tried in the Old Bailey, but in a special juvenile court and sentenced to a term in a young persons establishment, where they could undergo treatment, to try and make sure that they would not be likely to commit anything like it in the future.

But set free to loiter around the estate again, defiantly not.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Tired and old. I have a nice life thanks ///

Yes judging by your photo I can see you look tired and old.

Pleased to hear you have a nice life, I bet really you are the life and soul of the party??????

[LoftyLottie]

He, he. I love my avatar. It says everything about me you think AOG!!

[ttfn]

Let me put it this way AOG. IF party invites were arriving through my letterbox from this thread I know whose I would be delighted to accept.

[sherminator]

I'll apologise if I need to but as I ponted out on my FAO AOG post the WAY you post is horrendously suspect!
'But no his post was about a bull, yet my 'despair for humanity' was regarding this attempted child gang rape by two (under the age of criminal conviction) disgusting little savages.'

That whole phrase LOOks like your being particularly obtuse (also confirmed by other posters) But anyway if this was completely innocent:

I apologise!

now your second point!.....

[sherminator]

'then why is there a daily theread from you on some poor people collecting benefits?'

Fair enough AOG, i should have said nearly so i apologise as what i said wasnt 100% factually correct but was in fact an exaggeration! so i apologise

right I've apologised twice for a mistake! you cause me great offence(whether you meant it or not you still did!) with your opening statement are you man enough to apologise back?

[Count-A-Strong]

I hope you aren't holding your breath sherminator.

AOG is probably off reading some of my diverse postings and wishing he had a sense of humour too.

[andy-hughes]

To return to the point raised in AOG's post -

'child gang rape'? 'disgusting little savages'? 'two little cretins'?

Really AOG, you are surely enough of a student of the medai to understand that the titilation / righteous indignation (a double whammy for any tabloid story) aspect of this case has been exploited to the maximum by the media.

These boys are children - not cretins or savages - and the judge (who knows far more about this case than us, or indeed the media) accepted that they were not aware of the seriousness of their actions.

I would not wish to minimise the traums suffered by this little girl, but surely all three are victims of a society in which parenting skills are not lacking, more absent - hence the parenting skills courses for the parents.

Should we not turn our attention to the lack of proper education and support for these families - growing up in hopless deprivation on sink estates without any proper support systems in place.

We do not know the home lives of these boys, the kind of parenting they receive - or not - so surely we should sympathise with all involved? I do.