So can we now get some proper prisons?

[R1Geezer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12102266
Let's get rid of these holiday camps and lock this scum up in a proper nick. Where will they go while their charming abode is refitted? Let's outsource the whole thing to a country that knows how to operate a penal system.

[Sqad]

Re open Alcatraz..........I am all for it.

[Sqad]

R1.......no forget that........knowing our mentality they (the prisoners) would be transported across the Atlantic in Cruise Ships to uphold their human rights.

[ummmm]

Not all prisons are holiday camps Geezer.

How many prison sentences have you served?

[R1Geezer]

None, but if they were not holiday camps why are prisoners not afraid to go back?

[ummmm]

Depends what they have on the outside really doesn't it? For some prison life is preferable to outside life.

It depends on the crime though. My cousin served time in Woodhill (cat a) and he said it was horrendous...transferred to cat b and he said that was bareable. He's changed since that experience because he doesn't want to go back.

[R1Geezer]

well great it worked for him. Ford is a top of the rangel holiday camp and they still rioted. Send scum to a proper nick now.

[sara3]

some of them come out with no skills, no job, no home, no family, no food...

going back is often the easiest option.

[jno]

tripping over your own arguments here, aren't you?

If they're holiday camps, why are people rioting? Do people riot at Centre Parcs?

Perhaps they're rioting because they are in fact prisons and not holiday camps?

[DTCwordfan]

what a ridiculous comment......there are plenty of prisons that are pretty grim and yes there are some cushy ones, usually for less serious or minor offences. I would postulate that ring leaders of this little riot will be heading for more uncomfortable accommodation.

Oh, and any comparison to American prisons; whilts they are generally harsher, they have the same issues of re-offending - so its not the comfort level! I read somewhile back so can't quote the source that nearly 1/3rd of those in prison are ex-services. If that be the case, perhaps we ought to look at the source and their demob training/psychology to cut future numbers.

[lostsoulami]

Peterhead,or Barlinne,holiday camps dont think so.

[ummmm]

They are blaming it alcohol....

Gezzer....have a read of this book. It's eye opening..

http://www.amazon.co....ography/dp/0141015799

[R1Geezer]

Ford open prison is well known as the softest in the country with more facilities than Butlins. TV's, Games, on suite, snooker tables, Gym etc etc all common knowledge

[society]

Why waste time, money and space? Death sentences for all guilty of committing crimes.

[boxtops]

LOL Society, happy new year to you, too! ;-)

[ummmm]

And it's usually somewhere prisoners are transferred to after serving most of their sentence in a harsher jail. This kind of behaviour could see them sent back...

[sandyRoe]

I believe they rioted because the white wine wasn't chilled enough.

[R1Geezer]

....and that xmas pudding, wasn't from M&S was it?

[Sqad]

DT <<<<<If that be the case, perhaps we ought to look at the source and their demob training/psychology to cut future numbers.<<<<

We have for the past 50 years and it is called "rehabilitation".......and although I am not an expert, I am indeed sceptical of any benefits to re-offending.

[ummmm]

I had an M&S meal last night...highly disappointed...so if that's the case, I don't blame them...

[ummmm]

Sqad - it's pretty obvious that servicemen don't make the transition to civvy life easily.