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Why the silence?
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The problem of some Muslim men absconding young white girls has been headline news for several days and has been widely discussed on many phone-in radio shows.
But what is strange is the fact that I myself have entered two questions on AB, concerning this issue and both have attracted very little interest , and others have not thought the matter serious enough to enter their own questions on the subject.
This excerpt from Melanie Phillips column on the subject says it all,
/// Muslim women are often treated abominably within their communities. But to their suffering, feminists and other right-on liberals are almost totally silent. The only sound from that lobby is the cry of ‘racist’ or ‘bigot’ hurled at anyone who dares protest at such religious slavery.///
http://tinyurl.com/2d5gxsv
But what is strange is the fact that I myself have entered two questions on AB, concerning this issue and both have attracted very little interest , and others have not thought the matter serious enough to enter their own questions on the subject.
This excerpt from Melanie Phillips column on the subject says it all,
/// Muslim women are often treated abominably within their communities. But to their suffering, feminists and other right-on liberals are almost totally silent. The only sound from that lobby is the cry of ‘racist’ or ‘bigot’ hurled at anyone who dares protest at such religious slavery.///
http://tinyurl.com/2d5gxsv
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"Through past experience some ABers have shown without any doubt, that one should not in any way criticise a crime no matter how savage or disgusting, if the perpatrators have a different skin colour from white."
Prove it with examples. I have never seen any answerbankers defend a savage crime in all the years I have been on here.
Prove it with examples. I have never seen any answerbankers defend a savage crime in all the years I have been on here.
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/// particularly when you set out a question that assumes revulsion and horror to be 'the only sane reaction'.///
And what can be wrong in that, is there any sane person who would think other wise, and is agreement a bad thing even if one as to admit it to AOG?
/// Maybe people pick up that's what your expectation is, and decide not to put anything else.///
Then why do they go to the trouble of posting objectionable posts.
/// you've set out this thread to ask them and don't seem particularly receptive when they answer you.///
Why should I feel particularly receptive to their often snide remarks against me.
No, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it, the real reason for all the aggression is because once again I have posted a news item that puts certain ethnic groups in a bad light once again.
Perhaps the time as has come for a total news blackout on all items that fairly criticise the ethnics, either that or AB members should disclose their ethnicity and political leanings.
And what can be wrong in that, is there any sane person who would think other wise, and is agreement a bad thing even if one as to admit it to AOG?
/// Maybe people pick up that's what your expectation is, and decide not to put anything else.///
Then why do they go to the trouble of posting objectionable posts.
/// you've set out this thread to ask them and don't seem particularly receptive when they answer you.///
Why should I feel particularly receptive to their often snide remarks against me.
No, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it, the real reason for all the aggression is because once again I have posted a news item that puts certain ethnic groups in a bad light once again.
Perhaps the time as has come for a total news blackout on all items that fairly criticise the ethnics, either that or AB members should disclose their ethnicity and political leanings.
there's plenty of savage, abhorent, disgusting, disgraceful crimes not involving muslims everyday. Any trawl through the papers could pop plenty of examples and far more than Muslim related ones.
Wit the Torygraph today,
The shooting of Giffords and murder of 6 folk in Tuscon, was that sone by a Muslim? No
Joanna Yeats, was she murdered by a Muslim, probably No........
The Portugese talkshow host - was his boyfriend Muslim, No.....
Anybody can make statistics be believed, especially when the sample is one. As Twain commented, "Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
I am not saying that there isa lie here, that would be lying - what I am saying, AOG, how deplorable this crime is, put it in balance with all the other deplorable crimes that happen, be they at a global, national or local level.
Wit the Torygraph today,
The shooting of Giffords and murder of 6 folk in Tuscon, was that sone by a Muslim? No
Joanna Yeats, was she murdered by a Muslim, probably No........
The Portugese talkshow host - was his boyfriend Muslim, No.....
Anybody can make statistics be believed, especially when the sample is one. As Twain commented, "Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
I am not saying that there isa lie here, that would be lying - what I am saying, AOG, how deplorable this crime is, put it in balance with all the other deplorable crimes that happen, be they at a global, national or local level.
Some points to consider:
1. AOG, you wrote:
"I am not just saying this because you agree that there is cause for concern, but because others can't come up with an intelligent and adult reverse opinion, if indeed these monsters deserve any defence whatsoever"
There's a flaw in the thrust of that argument. Non-response to your question does not in any way prove support of these disgusting 'men' and I for one will shed no tears when they inevitably suffer what can euphemistically be called 'jail justice'.
However, your original question is asking about lack of responses. Looking at the broad demographic on AB, you cannot draw the conclusion that it's "feminists and right on liberals" that haven't engaged in the discussion.
It would appear that it's across-the-board.
1. AOG, you wrote:
"I am not just saying this because you agree that there is cause for concern, but because others can't come up with an intelligent and adult reverse opinion, if indeed these monsters deserve any defence whatsoever"
There's a flaw in the thrust of that argument. Non-response to your question does not in any way prove support of these disgusting 'men' and I for one will shed no tears when they inevitably suffer what can euphemistically be called 'jail justice'.
However, your original question is asking about lack of responses. Looking at the broad demographic on AB, you cannot draw the conclusion that it's "feminists and right on liberals" that haven't engaged in the discussion.
It would appear that it's across-the-board.
LoftyLottie
The word I used was 'criticised' not 'defend' as you put it, makes for an all different meaning, don't you agree?
They will not criticise the crime directly, but would rather ignore the facts and instead use the opportunity to come back at me.
Or they also branch off at tangents by trying to lessen the crime committed, by suggesting that whites also commit similar crimes and paedophiles are mainly white men.
All totally irrelevant to the crime under discussion at the time.
The word I used was 'criticised' not 'defend' as you put it, makes for an all different meaning, don't you agree?
They will not criticise the crime directly, but would rather ignore the facts and instead use the opportunity to come back at me.
Or they also branch off at tangents by trying to lessen the crime committed, by suggesting that whites also commit similar crimes and paedophiles are mainly white men.
All totally irrelevant to the crime under discussion at the time.
I replace one word in your quote from Phillips which makes a viable point. And I am not deriding the nature of the crime and justice shall probably prevail and hopefully in spades.
Christian "women are often treated abominably within their communities. But to their suffering, feminists and other right-on liberals are almost totally silent."
wit spouse bashing, incest, rape, control victimisation, and all the other appalling crimes against women that our Western society (or any society globally) can inflict.
Put it in perspective not isolate this to damn Muslims at large.
Christian "women are often treated abominably within their communities. But to their suffering, feminists and other right-on liberals are almost totally silent."
wit spouse bashing, incest, rape, control victimisation, and all the other appalling crimes against women that our Western society (or any society globally) can inflict.
Put it in perspective not isolate this to damn Muslims at large.
"is agreement a bad thing even if one as to admit it to AOG? "
Well, no, but it's not very exciting or interesting either, is it? People will have done all their revulsion when they read the story, most likely.
"Then why do they go to the trouble of posting objectionable posts"
In this thread? You've asked them to!
"Why should I feel particularly receptive to their often snide remarks against me. "
Honestly? Because they're the truth. If you ask people why they're not responding to you, and some of them answer by saying 'we don't like arguing with you for x y z reasons', then the fact that it's unpleasant doesn't make it invalid.
"No, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it, the real reason for all the aggression is because once again I have posted a news item that puts certain ethnic groups in a bad light once again. "
You're putting words into people's mouths. More than that, this is a recurring image that you seem to draw upon all the time. Again, I can't help but think you posted this question with a particular answer in mind.
Well, no, but it's not very exciting or interesting either, is it? People will have done all their revulsion when they read the story, most likely.
"Then why do they go to the trouble of posting objectionable posts"
In this thread? You've asked them to!
"Why should I feel particularly receptive to their often snide remarks against me. "
Honestly? Because they're the truth. If you ask people why they're not responding to you, and some of them answer by saying 'we don't like arguing with you for x y z reasons', then the fact that it's unpleasant doesn't make it invalid.
"No, you know it, I know it and everyone else knows it, the real reason for all the aggression is because once again I have posted a news item that puts certain ethnic groups in a bad light once again. "
You're putting words into people's mouths. More than that, this is a recurring image that you seem to draw upon all the time. Again, I can't help but think you posted this question with a particular answer in mind.
DTcrosswordfan
First may I say I would have reported on this particular crime no matter who it had been committed by.
The difference being if it had been committed by Muslims as in this case or blacks then only I would have had the courage to enter it on AB.
But if it had been committed by a gang of white men on Muslim girls, I would not have been up early enough to enter my thread on it, others would have beaten me to it.
That is a fact and I challenge anyone to deny it.
As regards your news items
/// The shooting of Giffords and murder of 6 folk in Tuscon, was that sone by a Muslim? No ///
I don't think the suspects religion as been reported, but once again this is a recent crime, there has been no trial or conviction as some on AB are always ready to point out, plus the fact that it took place in America.
/// Joanna Yeats, was she murdered by a Muslim, probably No...///....does it really matter? And if it is found out that it has been committed by a white religious person or indeed a white or dark skinned Muslim should make no difference to the reporting.
There is also little to report on this case because it is a solitary murder committed by persons yet unknown.
/// The Portugese talkshow host - was his boyfriend Muslim, No..///
Ask 98% of ABers they will not know who you are talking about.
What is your point it is not a race who can commit the most crimes, Muslims or whites?
If the crime, be it a multi-murder, a multi-abduction of children (as in this case) or a massive gold bullion raid, and if the perpetrators are black, white, pink or purple, Church of England, Muslims or Jews, there should be no block or dilution on the reporting of it, either via AB, the radio, TV or the newspapers.
First may I say I would have reported on this particular crime no matter who it had been committed by.
The difference being if it had been committed by Muslims as in this case or blacks then only I would have had the courage to enter it on AB.
But if it had been committed by a gang of white men on Muslim girls, I would not have been up early enough to enter my thread on it, others would have beaten me to it.
That is a fact and I challenge anyone to deny it.
As regards your news items
/// The shooting of Giffords and murder of 6 folk in Tuscon, was that sone by a Muslim? No ///
I don't think the suspects religion as been reported, but once again this is a recent crime, there has been no trial or conviction as some on AB are always ready to point out, plus the fact that it took place in America.
/// Joanna Yeats, was she murdered by a Muslim, probably No...///....does it really matter? And if it is found out that it has been committed by a white religious person or indeed a white or dark skinned Muslim should make no difference to the reporting.
There is also little to report on this case because it is a solitary murder committed by persons yet unknown.
/// The Portugese talkshow host - was his boyfriend Muslim, No..///
Ask 98% of ABers they will not know who you are talking about.
What is your point it is not a race who can commit the most crimes, Muslims or whites?
If the crime, be it a multi-murder, a multi-abduction of children (as in this case) or a massive gold bullion raid, and if the perpetrators are black, white, pink or purple, Church of England, Muslims or Jews, there should be no block or dilution on the reporting of it, either via AB, the radio, TV or the newspapers.
I've been out...............and come back in again to find this thread still rumbling on.
An inconsequential opinion posted as 'News' when at most it is assuredly *olds*.
You are not the heroic figure of your imagination, AOG. The windmills at which you tilt haven't changed in the time in which I have been here.
Any item upon which you report is always given negative spin; if there was a heinous white on white crime, doubtless you'd comment upon it in the context of how unusual it is, given the 'darkies' propensity for that 'sort of thing'.
I think many on here are too fed up with you to post much on your threads.........and I say once again that is *no* victory save a pyrrhic one.
An inconsequential opinion posted as 'News' when at most it is assuredly *olds*.
You are not the heroic figure of your imagination, AOG. The windmills at which you tilt haven't changed in the time in which I have been here.
Any item upon which you report is always given negative spin; if there was a heinous white on white crime, doubtless you'd comment upon it in the context of how unusual it is, given the 'darkies' propensity for that 'sort of thing'.
I think many on here are too fed up with you to post much on your threads.........and I say once again that is *no* victory save a pyrrhic one.
I will no longer go round and round the houses to get you to discuss this crime, on it's non-merits alone.
I will take it as read that just because this crime was carried out by groups of Pakistani men it should therefore not be discussed.
Although he belongs to a party that I support, I can empathise with Jack Straw over this, he is also coming under fire for daring to enter into debate over this issue.
I understand that some ABers are Muslims so perhaps they would rather not have their dirty washing brought out in the open for all to see, but to all you hand wringing lefties I say this, in your quest to try and curry favour from certain groups, you are in fact doing more harm than good to racial harmony, by trying to cover up certain issues.
I will take it as read that just because this crime was carried out by groups of Pakistani men it should therefore not be discussed.
Although he belongs to a party that I support, I can empathise with Jack Straw over this, he is also coming under fire for daring to enter into debate over this issue.
I understand that some ABers are Muslims so perhaps they would rather not have their dirty washing brought out in the open for all to see, but to all you hand wringing lefties I say this, in your quest to try and curry favour from certain groups, you are in fact doing more harm than good to racial harmony, by trying to cover up certain issues.
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