Muslim prejudice normal?

[jake-the-peg]

Baroness Warsi is to say that prejudice against muslims has become socially acceptable and is the last basion of biggotry in this country is she right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12235237

[ummmm]

True....

I'm not anti-muslim btw....There are elements of the religion that disgusts me. Same with my own religion though.

[naomi24]

If this is, as the Baroness says, the last bastion of bigotry, then rather than spluttering on in indignant outrage and coming to no conclusion - which seems to be the way of debate on both sides in this on-going argument - perhaps we should seriously examine the reasons people have for harbouring prejudice against Muslims more than any other group.

Jake, presumably in an effort to negate the one under discussion you are citing examples of other cultures in which women are suppressed - but it isn't acceptable in any society and two wrongs don't make a right.

[Davethedog]

Not disputing the comment, but I would think the dinner tables of the "chattering classes" are full of predjudice of many varying kinds, some of which she may subscribe to, and are as far from the majority of us as can be.

I wonder how the Baroness would know or are her host's rude enough to display thier Islamophobia in front of her.

[jno]

not the last one, unfortunately. Just do a search on this very site for "Norfolk".

[R1Geezer]

Well you brought up the arithmetic Gromit: A grows 4 times faster than B, B is 25 times the size of A at the moment, at some point A will be larger than B, True or False?

Now let's see is prejudice against a people that have sworn death or conversion to the infidel and have many attrocities to show they are serious, normal? I'd say it's understandable!

[Ankou]

no r1, that is not what prejudice is. it is an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy. you are confusing it with stereotyping perhaps ? did you share that view of all irish people during the northern ireland 'troubles'?

in ab we have a large contingent of the idée fixe. and the common mentality of such is to tar many people with the same brush.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Prejudice against Muslims has "passed the dinner-table test" and become socially acceptable in the UK, ///

/// anti-Muslim prejudice is now seen by many Britons as normal and uncontroversial, ///

I wish some on here thought the same.

I wonder at what dinner table they dine?

[pa___ul3]

aye Ummm, I was going to add that I know Muslim isn't a race but then I couldn't remember whether or not Islam was the religion. Either way, as a whole group of people.
I think it's fair to say that people generalise (wrongly) as Muslims being of Arabic origin so, when talking about Muslims, are actually talking about Arabic people. There's so much wrong with the casual prejudice it would take too long to completely counter but, in short, there's large groups of people from each race that commit terrible atrocities but you should never 'tar them all with the same brush', doing so just creates further alienation from the good of that group and in no way helps to tackle the overriding issue.

[Gromit]

AOG

Just because it is widespread, does not mean it is right, preferable or true.

[ummmm]

Paul/Ankou - I agree.

[ChuckFickens]

Presumably the same people think all Catholics would cover up for paedophiles, all northern Irish were terrorists in the 80', all English people wear bowler hats and have bad teeth, all Americans are fat, all French people walk about in stripy jumpers with onions round their necks and all Jamaicans are permanently stoned.

(actually the last one possibly isn't such a good example :))

[keyplus90]

I don't have to say anything more than what few others said. All you need to do is visit AB regularly and you would agree with her. Perhaps she also pops in on AB sometime.

[Sqad]

Chuck...you may well be right.....I cannot say.

But the situation is that of the reaction of a host to a rapidly expanding race which has appearances and customs alien to the hosts.

Is the reaction reasonable or not?

[ChuckFickens]

it's not a race! an English person can be a Muslim you know!

[Sqad]

Chuck.....but that is the point, but matters not.

If it walks like a duck, it quacks, then it is a duck........I am not saying that this is how I feel, but I respect other people taking this attitude.

She wears Muslim clothes, prays in a Mosque.........then she is a Moslem...the fact that she is British is neither here or there.

[ludwig]

No, she isn't right - and this thread (and many others on AB) proves it.

Whenever any person or persons display any bigotry or anti-muslim sentiment, there are always a greater number of people who step up to tell them that their views are unacceptable and bigoted, giving the lie to the claim that it's socially acceptable.

Secondly, anti-religious feeling isn't limited to or even focused on Islam. Again, this site proves it. you only have to hop over to the religion section to see all different religions being disrespected and abused in equal measure.

If anything I'd say it's much more socially acceptable in this country to insult the Christian faith (particularly Catholicism) than it is to insult Islam - If you want evidence of that, visit your nearest art gallery. There's a good chance they've had a special wing built to house all the anti-christian art - Beckham on the cross, jesus submerged in a tank of p1ss (google 'p1ss christ' for details) etc etc.

[Booldawg]

ludwig makes a very good point. Maybe because this country has a phase of Christianity for a while we have Grandfather rights to knock it.

I recall growing up in the 70s and receiving ALOT of stick at school because my family were Christians and regular church goers.

[sp1814]

JTP

Part of the problem stems from the portrayal of Muslims from certain sectors of the press, which have led some people to simply associate the Muslim world with rampant homophobia, the stoning and subjugation of women, stoning, beheading, honour killings etc.

Truth is - most Muslims are as boring as the rest of us. Their day-to-day lives revolve round what to have for dinner, arguments over who to support on The X Factor, who they'll be say with at Habib's wedding, whether to sell the car privately or trade it in etc.

Unfortunately, dog bites man doesn't sell papers. Man bites dog does.

[Sqad]

sp1814 ;-)