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Who struck the first blow?
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Here we have the EDL supporters peacefully arriving at the rail station, but who is there to greet them (with cries of EDL go to hell), but members of the UAF in an attempt to block their free passage out of the rail station.
A member of the EDL peacefully approaches an UAF member, but he has his cap aggressively knocked off by another UAF.member.
What were the police doing allowing the UAF into the rail station to cause the trouble, and who was it that was showing the aggression?
Here we have the EDL supporters peacefully arriving at the rail station, but who is there to greet them (with cries of EDL go to hell), but members of the UAF in an attempt to block their free passage out of the rail station.
A member of the EDL peacefully approaches an UAF member, but he has his cap aggressively knocked off by another UAF.member.
What were the police doing allowing the UAF into the rail station to cause the trouble, and who was it that was showing the aggression?
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bazwillrun, in what way is this country being ruined by mass immigration ?
Even at it's highest rate in the last 10 years, the number of immigrants each year amounts to a bit under half of a percent of the population of the country. And people who describe themselves as English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish account for around 92% of the population.
There are countries in the EU which have a higher proportion of immigrants than we do and who are far less worried about it than we are.
Even at it's highest rate in the last 10 years, the number of immigrants each year amounts to a bit under half of a percent of the population of the country. And people who describe themselves as English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish account for around 92% of the population.
There are countries in the EU which have a higher proportion of immigrants than we do and who are far less worried about it than we are.
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bazwillrun, at the end of the road I live in, there is a parade of shops. At least half of them are run by people who were not born in the UK.
40 years ago the street I live in was mostly Polish and English families. Today it is English, Polish, Russian, Irish, Asian and a few other nationalities.
Every day at work I meet and deal with people of different nationalities and faiths, some born here, some not.
My parents were immigrants, as were my wife's parents.
So, the mix of people has changed since I was a lad. I don't have a problem with that. Nor do I have a problem with people of other faiths, colours, accents. It doesn't matter a hoot where you come from, what matters is who you are. Most people are not nasty, mean, anti-social, out to take you for a ride or to rape, pillage and kill, and the ones who are come in all colours, from all backgrounds and all faiths.
I don't wear blinkers or wear tinted spectacles, and I don't spend my time looking for brushes to tar everyone who isn't a "True Englishman (or Woman for that matter)" with. You may not like the statistics much, but perhaps that is because they give the lie to some of the unfounded prejudice that is around, as does the daily experience of most of the people who live here.
To be sure there is plenty of crime around. Crimes are committed by individual criminals. Some of them are immigrants, some are home grown. Crime is not an exclusively immigrant thing despite what the media reports might lead you to believe.
Perhaps it's time you took off your blinkers and went for a wander round the streets. paying attention to everything that goes on around you instead of ignoring the good and looking for the bad.
40 years ago the street I live in was mostly Polish and English families. Today it is English, Polish, Russian, Irish, Asian and a few other nationalities.
Every day at work I meet and deal with people of different nationalities and faiths, some born here, some not.
My parents were immigrants, as were my wife's parents.
So, the mix of people has changed since I was a lad. I don't have a problem with that. Nor do I have a problem with people of other faiths, colours, accents. It doesn't matter a hoot where you come from, what matters is who you are. Most people are not nasty, mean, anti-social, out to take you for a ride or to rape, pillage and kill, and the ones who are come in all colours, from all backgrounds and all faiths.
I don't wear blinkers or wear tinted spectacles, and I don't spend my time looking for brushes to tar everyone who isn't a "True Englishman (or Woman for that matter)" with. You may not like the statistics much, but perhaps that is because they give the lie to some of the unfounded prejudice that is around, as does the daily experience of most of the people who live here.
To be sure there is plenty of crime around. Crimes are committed by individual criminals. Some of them are immigrants, some are home grown. Crime is not an exclusively immigrant thing despite what the media reports might lead you to believe.
Perhaps it's time you took off your blinkers and went for a wander round the streets. paying attention to everything that goes on around you instead of ignoring the good and looking for the bad.
I was at the march today, as I live in Luton an wanted to be nosey! I was with the UAF crowd - The most aggression I witnessed was from the police! Ooooh but then there was a very scary few minutes when some hippy girls started doing the Conga outside Debenhams..... EDL are the old school football hooligans of the 80s. They can't get away with that anymore so this is another excuse to cause problems in the town. Oh, and as for UAF striking the first blow - I saw a thug (complete with skinhead and England flag) spitting in the face of an innocent man, simply because he was the wrong colour - and this was about half a mile from the march and completely unprovoked!
An old letter but sums up what these violent fascist thugs of the UAF do at these demo's:-
Dear Editor, I would like to start by apologising to the people of Birmingham for the events of Saturday evening which I am highly ashamed to have been a part of. However, as a moderate who took part in the UAF protest I would like to set the record straight.
I, like the vast majority of people in Birmingham love the fact that our city is so diverse and vibrant. I felt that this was worth defending, especially from a bunch of trouble makers many of whom were from outside the city.
Unfortunately it turned out the UAF were no more interested in our community than the racists many of us turned out to oppose!
The young Muslims who rampaged through the city streets were incited to violence by UAF activists. I was near the front of the rally in Rotunda Square and I saw how they worked and I saw how it got out of hand.
The UAF should have switched rhetoric when they saw that the young Muslims were getting restless and angry. Instead what they did was get increasingly aggressive speakers to talk about ‘smashing the BNP’ (who not directly involved with the protest) whilst sending agitators into the crowd, with megaphones, to whip up anger there.
Only a few members of the Socialist Workers party, some trade unionists and a few moderate Muslim blokes who had been recruited as marshals on the day, remained to help the Police calm the riot.
I would like to commend the West Midlands Police Force for their sensitive handling of the protest and us protesters during what was a very difficult situation.
However, the ten or so members of the Muslim community who stayed with the protest whilst it was settled are the true unsung heroes of the sad event.
I never got to know their names, however, I am very proud to have worked with them in defusing the tensions that built
Dear Editor, I would like to start by apologising to the people of Birmingham for the events of Saturday evening which I am highly ashamed to have been a part of. However, as a moderate who took part in the UAF protest I would like to set the record straight.
I, like the vast majority of people in Birmingham love the fact that our city is so diverse and vibrant. I felt that this was worth defending, especially from a bunch of trouble makers many of whom were from outside the city.
Unfortunately it turned out the UAF were no more interested in our community than the racists many of us turned out to oppose!
The young Muslims who rampaged through the city streets were incited to violence by UAF activists. I was near the front of the rally in Rotunda Square and I saw how they worked and I saw how it got out of hand.
The UAF should have switched rhetoric when they saw that the young Muslims were getting restless and angry. Instead what they did was get increasingly aggressive speakers to talk about ‘smashing the BNP’ (who not directly involved with the protest) whilst sending agitators into the crowd, with megaphones, to whip up anger there.
Only a few members of the Socialist Workers party, some trade unionists and a few moderate Muslim blokes who had been recruited as marshals on the day, remained to help the Police calm the riot.
I would like to commend the West Midlands Police Force for their sensitive handling of the protest and us protesters during what was a very difficult situation.
However, the ten or so members of the Muslim community who stayed with the protest whilst it was settled are the true unsung heroes of the sad event.
I never got to know their names, however, I am very proud to have worked with them in defusing the tensions that built
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As to the UAF well, I don’t mind announcing that I will never join one of their protests again. Once again I can only say how sorry I am that it all got so out of hand. If we had known how it would turn out then I’m sure a lot of protesters would have stayed home.
The UAF has achieved nothing except to create racial tensions were non existed before.
Yours in penance,
xxxxxxxxx, Bournville
As to the UAF well, I don’t mind announcing that I will never join one of their protests again. Once again I can only say how sorry I am that it all got so out of hand. If we had known how it would turn out then I’m sure a lot of protesters would have stayed home.
The UAF has achieved nothing except to create racial tensions were non existed before.
Yours in penance,
xxxxxxxxx, Bournville
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"Coobeastie Amazing how hypocritical some are who constantly criticise the Daily Mail for it's lies and misinterpretations, but are then not slow in using a link from the same, because it happens this time to support their argument"
What that the EDL are a bunch of knuckle draggers?
AOG to the best of my knowledge I've only once suggested that the Daily Mail over exagerate once and that was in reference to the following post...one of yours I believe.
http://www.dailymail....nubs-charity-hit.html
That was over a year ago (November 2009) and related to the BBC not playing a single which hadn't made the top 100 on their chart orientated radio station. Hardly makes me a hypocrite using a Mail link now. You must have a very funny idea of what constantly means.
What that the EDL are a bunch of knuckle draggers?
AOG to the best of my knowledge I've only once suggested that the Daily Mail over exagerate once and that was in reference to the following post...one of yours I believe.
http://www.dailymail....nubs-charity-hit.html
That was over a year ago (November 2009) and related to the BBC not playing a single which hadn't made the top 100 on their chart orientated radio station. Hardly makes me a hypocrite using a Mail link now. You must have a very funny idea of what constantly means.
Huderon
/// Just as amazing, to my mind, are those who use articles in the Daily mail to support their views and then ignore articles in the same paper which contradict those views.///
Just by reversing my comments just doesn't work in this context.
It was you that used that Daily Mail story for your own use, since I had not even come across it, so to ignore it as you said, I could not either agree or disagree with it.
/// Just as amazing, to my mind, are those who use articles in the Daily mail to support their views and then ignore articles in the same paper which contradict those views.///
Just by reversing my comments just doesn't work in this context.
It was you that used that Daily Mail story for your own use, since I had not even come across it, so to ignore it as you said, I could not either agree or disagree with it.
"What were the police doing allowing the UAF into the rail station to cause the trouble...."
AOG, I dont know whether the police allowed the UAF in the station but if they did then yes tactically it was a bad move as it is well known that the UAF will routinely start using violence and intimidation against anyone they disagree with, including police officers.
AOG, I dont know whether the police allowed the UAF in the station but if they did then yes tactically it was a bad move as it is well known that the UAF will routinely start using violence and intimidation against anyone they disagree with, including police officers.
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