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Although technically wrong, don't others agree that this young man will take more notice of his Dad's actions than anything the police and the authorities would be prepared to punish him with?
Although technically wrong, don't others agree that this young man will take more notice of his Dad's actions than anything the police and the authorities would be prepared to punish him with?
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When I was 15 yrs old I was arrested for breaking a window and was taken to a police station.. I was a cheaky little urchin then and was giving the police a bit of cheek and the sargeant grabbed my hair pulled my head back and stuck the airial of his radio right up my nose..lots of blood spirted out all over another policeman so he punched me straight in the face.. an hour or so later my father arrived to pick me up and i told him what they had done and he told me I deserved it and smacked me across the head..So I guess this country has gone soft..I did'nt get into much trouble after that..It made me think of the consequences..
Inclink - your disctionction between hitting a child in temper, and as a 'discipline' measure is flawed - how on earth do you hit your child with the predetermined notion of discipline? That would be a pretty cold way to behave.
I would suggest that all physical discipline is done in temper - which is wrong - but some people carry that to inappropriate extremes, as was done here.
I would suggest that all physical discipline is done in temper - which is wrong - but some people carry that to inappropriate extremes, as was done here.
The death penalty has done nothing to dissuade people from crime( unless they have already received it of course) so if the threat of death doesn’t work.......
Children who have been brought up around violence will only know violence, children that were smacked, slapped, cuffed, beaten whatever you want to call it will learn that this is the way to be and will in turn treat their children the same way.
One day people, especially parents will learn that all this hitting and slapping children solves nothing!! Im sure so many of you are thinking "it never done me any harm" well it probably did immense harm, its why you probably are beating your kids and still saying it wont do them any harm!!! and the cycle goes on.............
I never hit my children and they dont hit theirs.
Children who have been brought up around violence will only know violence, children that were smacked, slapped, cuffed, beaten whatever you want to call it will learn that this is the way to be and will in turn treat their children the same way.
One day people, especially parents will learn that all this hitting and slapping children solves nothing!! Im sure so many of you are thinking "it never done me any harm" well it probably did immense harm, its why you probably are beating your kids and still saying it wont do them any harm!!! and the cycle goes on.............
I never hit my children and they dont hit theirs.
docspock wrote /// A bit over the top, it could have been a one-off. ///
Having read through most of these posts it would seem that some don't take into consideration a more one-off approach.
andy-hughes takes the most over the top approach than most, perhaps due to the horrendous treatment he received from his own father.
But to attach his own experiences to this case is taking it a little too far in my opinion.
He stated,
/// it is clear that his father's habit of 'clipping' him has shown only his father's inability to keep his temper and discipline his child properly and
appropriately ///.
It is obvious that Andy had taken it for granted that the boys father had a habit of clipping him, I may have overlooked it but I can find no reference to this.
/// where his ignorant bullying criminal father with his violent temper has failed.///
Already addressed by docspock's "a bit over the top" comment.
/// However, this father is probably following the example set by his father ///
Once again sheer speculation on Andy's part.
Andy, I sympathise with you considering the way you were brought up, but can't you see as I have said before, "perhaps this father had brought his son up perfectly, but the boy had let him down by committed this crime"?.
Being that infuriated already, that his son was down at the police station, and perhaps the boy made some smart ar*ed crack to insult the police officer, this being enough to make what was a normally well balanced person to crack and lash out with his hand.
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Having read through most of these posts it would seem that some don't take into consideration a more one-off approach.
andy-hughes takes the most over the top approach than most, perhaps due to the horrendous treatment he received from his own father.
But to attach his own experiences to this case is taking it a little too far in my opinion.
He stated,
/// it is clear that his father's habit of 'clipping' him has shown only his father's inability to keep his temper and discipline his child properly and
appropriately ///.
It is obvious that Andy had taken it for granted that the boys father had a habit of clipping him, I may have overlooked it but I can find no reference to this.
/// where his ignorant bullying criminal father with his violent temper has failed.///
Already addressed by docspock's "a bit over the top" comment.
/// However, this father is probably following the example set by his father ///
Once again sheer speculation on Andy's part.
Andy, I sympathise with you considering the way you were brought up, but can't you see as I have said before, "perhaps this father had brought his son up perfectly, but the boy had let him down by committed this crime"?.
Being that infuriated already, that his son was down at the police station, and perhaps the boy made some smart ar*ed crack to insult the police officer, this being enough to make what was a normally well balanced person to crack and lash out with his hand.
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I take your point AOG - but the notion that this father brought his son up "perfectly" and then had a sudden lapse of character - in a police station - seems unlikely in the extreme.
A far more believeable scenario is that his hitting of his sone was so much a reflex action that he did it without thinking about the venue, or witnesses, at the time.
My suppositions may be inaccurate - but i doubt it - however, i must aceed to your analysis - supositions is indeed what they are.
Thank you for your sympathy - appreciated. My father left home when i was twenty-four, and i never saw him again - he died a few years ago, and I didn't miss the chance to speak with him and say all the unsaid things. I do not mourn him, or miss him - he was a nasty man, the world is a better place for his absence.
A far more believeable scenario is that his hitting of his sone was so much a reflex action that he did it without thinking about the venue, or witnesses, at the time.
My suppositions may be inaccurate - but i doubt it - however, i must aceed to your analysis - supositions is indeed what they are.
Thank you for your sympathy - appreciated. My father left home when i was twenty-four, and i never saw him again - he died a few years ago, and I didn't miss the chance to speak with him and say all the unsaid things. I do not mourn him, or miss him - he was a nasty man, the world is a better place for his absence.
What a sad story Andy, I do hope it has not left you with any lasting injuries.
I cannot perceive what it must have been like for you, seeing that I was lucky enough to have a good father, that would not harm me in anyway, even in those far off days when children were more harshly brought up than is the acceptable practice today.
But perhaps this is why I could imagine the scenario that I set out, I could imagine my own father who I have already said would not harm me, but this time I had let him and the rest of my family down by getting into trouble with the police.
Not being accustomed at being involved with the police in anyway, and then to suffer this from his child who he had worked hard all his life to bring up correctly, all that then on that one moment his child rudely addressed the policeman, I could quite see my father cracking up and lashing out with his hand.
In the circumstances I would have then felt extremely sorry for acting in such a way as to force my father (normally a mild man) to act completely out of character.
Hope I have succeeded in getting my point across?
I cannot perceive what it must have been like for you, seeing that I was lucky enough to have a good father, that would not harm me in anyway, even in those far off days when children were more harshly brought up than is the acceptable practice today.
But perhaps this is why I could imagine the scenario that I set out, I could imagine my own father who I have already said would not harm me, but this time I had let him and the rest of my family down by getting into trouble with the police.
Not being accustomed at being involved with the police in anyway, and then to suffer this from his child who he had worked hard all his life to bring up correctly, all that then on that one moment his child rudely addressed the policeman, I could quite see my father cracking up and lashing out with his hand.
In the circumstances I would have then felt extremely sorry for acting in such a way as to force my father (normally a mild man) to act completely out of character.
Hope I have succeeded in getting my point across?
AOG - thank you for your kind words - and your additional explanation.
I think this illustrates that we all address the world around us from our own perspective, influenced massively by our upbringing.
The differences in our respective fathers have affected our stance on this issue, and i do indeed see your point more fully now that i am encouraged to see it from a perspective other than my own. Thank you for that.
I think this illustrates that we all address the world around us from our own perspective, influenced massively by our upbringing.
The differences in our respective fathers have affected our stance on this issue, and i do indeed see your point more fully now that i am encouraged to see it from a perspective other than my own. Thank you for that.
andy-hughes
Thank you for that, not just because I consider I have won the argument, but because we have both made the other see from where we are getting our opinions from.
Once again thank you for providing such a honourable way to end the debate, it makes such a change from all the aggression we see dish out on this site.
Thank you for that, not just because I consider I have won the argument, but because we have both made the other see from where we are getting our opinions from.
Once again thank you for providing such a honourable way to end the debate, it makes such a change from all the aggression we see dish out on this site.
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