Katie Hopkins Has A Point Again.....

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4114494/The-NHS-crisis-just-proves-demand-outstrip-supply-giving-away-decided-let-rest-world-join-queue.html

[Peter Pedant]

well I hope it doesnt prove an expensive point
like some of her other points her employer has paid for

[andy-hughes]

I think, like Sybil Fawlty, we should get Ms. Hopkins on Mastermind - Specialist Subject - The Bl**din' Obvious!

[roopower]

Some of the problems in the NHS and A&E are down to the fact that surgeons can perform much longer and more complicated operations now. Also, with highly trained paramedics and doctors on ambulances and helicopters, patients are receiving life saving aid at the scene of their accident or collapse and arrive at hospital not only alive but capable of making a full recovery. Not so long ago they wouldn't have made it to the doors of A&E alive.

[Khandro]

She is absolutely correct, the only thing wrong is that the word free should be in parenthesis, there's nothing free about it, it all has to be paid for out of taxation, direct and indirect.

[Zacs-Master]

It is if you're benefit dependant.

[New Judge]

“Not so long ago they wouldn't have made it to the doors of A&E alive.”

You make a very valid point, roopower. The demands on the NHS per head of the population have increased considerably due to advances in treatment. However, some resources have been freed up by similar advances. Many surgical procedures are now carried out as day-patients where not that many years ago an overnight stay (or longer) would have been required. Many procedures which do require a stay in hospital now need very much less bed time.

However, as I said in answer to another question recently, the number of heads has increased dramatically in the very recent past and none of our public services have been geared up to cope with such an increase because, foolishly, it was not predicted. Politicians were in denial (either that or they were deceitful) about the massive increase in population that has ensued in the last few years. So I still maintain that it is excessive demand, not short supply which is the main problem for all our public services. Quite simply there are too many people in the UK. That on its own may not have been such a problem had the increase occurred over a longer period and been properly forecast. But it didn’t and it wasn’t.

[mikey4444]

Usual xenophobic response to a national crisis. Its all down to the ruddy immigrants again !....I could have guessed !

.....100% of the NHS problems, as well as the deteriorating crisis in our after Hospital and care system is all down to immigrants !

[Cloverjo]

I'm with you, Mikey.

[ummmm]

Zacs - No one could live without paying some form of tax.

[mikey4444]

Drivel.

[mikey4444]

Thanks Jo.

Some people on here fall upon every problem in the system as caused by immigrants. Just good old fashioned xenophobia, or worse. Lazy thinking from people who only show their own true colours by doing so.

[hereIam]

As usual, I agree with her.

[ummmm]

C'mon Mikey...you can't be that naive surely...

[saintpeter48]

Mikey444, you are being very naive, mass immigration IS the cause, we are full to bursting point and I am not being lazy by stating the bleedin obvious! The people in power got it completely wrong, open borders was/is a disaster, too many people, too few hospital places!

[New Judge]

I’m not xenophobic, Mikey. I don’t hate foreigners. I just happen to believe there are too many of them in the UK and the rate of arrivals has simply been too great for any country to cope with – especially one which hopelessly under-forecasts the numbers.

Medical services take time to implement. Quite a long time when you look at things like new hospitals. More than three million people arrived to settle in the UK in the past five years alone. However young and fit they are (and all of them are not so healthy) they all need healthcare. I’m not saying that the problems are entirely the fault of increased population but if those three million people (and the considerable numbers who arrived before that) had been forecast, and/or the numbers controlled, then the crises may not have been so severe. But the fact is the country cannot forecast the number of arrivals because nobody knows how many will come and nobody can control the influx. I’d like to think it’s not lazy thinking but to get me off the sofa please let us know what you believe are the causes of the current problems. And finally, I'm not blaming the foreigners themselves. They are simply taking advantage of the facilities open to them. I blame successive governments for allowing those facilities to remain and who have presided over excessive uncontrolled migration which has placed enormous burdens on public services.

“Zacs - No one could live without paying some form of tax.”

Many, many people live whilst making no positive contribution to the Exchequer whatsoever. These fall into many categories but just looking at the simplest – those who survive entirely on State benefits – the only tax they might pay is a bit of VAT on non-essentials and fuel and a bit of Excise duty if they buy alcohol or petrol. Of course if all their income is provided by the State then any small amounts they pay back to the Exchequer will not in any way make them “taxpayers”.

[mikey4444]

Saintpeter.....there are huge numbers of foreigners working in our NHS and in the after care industry. Pay a visit to your nearest Care Home ( if its still trading of course ) Without these workers, we would be in even more trouble.

The causes of our resent crisis are myriad and its far too simple just to blame immigrant, but that is the agenda that Hopkins follows.....blame the immigrant for all our ills, and some people believe her. Its lazy thinking, with a sinister cause.

[hereIam]

Oh mikey, you ALWAYS bring up the foreigners working in the NHS, so what, that doesn't alter the fact that immigration (those that DON'T work in the NHS) constitutes a lot of the blame and NJ's post is brilliant, as usual.

[naomi24]

Mikey, more people equates to a need for more of everything. Common sense, old bean. You're in denial.