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Brexit On Eu Terms. Uk Housts The White Flag
// When the time came to hoist the white flag, the cabinet’s swashbuckling Brexiters were nowhere to be seen. Instead, it was left to civil servants to hammer out the terms of Britain’s expensive retreat from the EU, settling a divorce bill that could pave the way for a wider exit agreement struck almost entirely on terms demanded by Brussels. //
Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting. Despite all the rhetoric and fighting talk, they have just caved in. Paying a huge bill.
Should they be replace for the probably more crucial and long term trade agreement talks ?
Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting. Despite all the rhetoric and fighting talk, they have just caved in. Paying a huge bill.
Should they be replace for the probably more crucial and long term trade agreement talks ?
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The Remoaners are still ululating then. We are going to be out. Worth every penny. It would have cost us more to stay in, and not just financially but in terms of self respect and self determination and governance. Send us a postcard when you get there(We must assume you are leaving surely) No Link? Allow me.
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As a Remainer, I would have preferred this not to happened. But it has and now Britain must get the best deal that it can.
Handsome is as handsome does as far as I am concerned, so May and Co. must be given some credit for last night.
But what a pity she didn't get the DP on her side on Monday, instead of suffering like she did when the talks failed ?
May should have known that she can't do anything, without the DUP's agreement....that is why she had to bribe them earlier this summer.
Handsome is as handsome does as far as I am concerned, so May and Co. must be given some credit for last night.
But what a pity she didn't get the DP on her side on Monday, instead of suffering like she did when the talks failed ?
May should have known that she can't do anything, without the DUP's agreement....that is why she had to bribe them earlier this summer.
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// Faced with such an ultimatum, Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, said he believed Britain had little realistic choice but to cave in on money, citizens’ rights and the Irish border if it wanted to get to phase two talks on trade. “It is dressed up as a negotiation, but it’s really been a story of the British taking time to realise that they have got to accept what the EU demands of them,” //
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// Faced with such an ultimatum, Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, said he believed Britain had little realistic choice but to cave in on money, citizens’ rights and the Irish border if it wanted to get to phase two talks on trade. “It is dressed up as a negotiation, but it’s really been a story of the British taking time to realise that they have got to accept what the EU demands of them,” //
OG....the idea that Farage would, and could have handled this better is fanciful in the least. All he would have done is to get every bodies backs up.
But can I remind you, and all the other Farage fans, that he has no status in our Government at all. He is just an MEP. I know that there are some people that are keen on him being given Sainthood status by the Vatican, but it ain't going to happen.
But can I remind you, and all the other Farage fans, that he has no status in our Government at all. He is just an MEP. I know that there are some people that are keen on him being given Sainthood status by the Vatican, but it ain't going to happen.
Davies is worse than useless. He is also grossly incompetent and a proven liar.
He insisted over and over again that the detailed analysis of the 57 aspects of Brexit had been done but refused to publish them.
The truth was that they had not even been started let alone finished and that the impact of a No Deal exit had not even been discussed by the cabinet. He really should be sacked but May yet again is in such a weak position that she can't take any action against any of her defiant MP's.
He insisted over and over again that the detailed analysis of the 57 aspects of Brexit had been done but refused to publish them.
The truth was that they had not even been started let alone finished and that the impact of a No Deal exit had not even been discussed by the cabinet. He really should be sacked but May yet again is in such a weak position that she can't take any action against any of her defiant MP's.
I see no details in either link. One is all about how wonderful the breakthrough is whilst giving no details as to how it was achieved. The other, typically, does it's remainer stance claiming we had no option to capitulate although it's bound to know that's utter baloney whilst again giving no details.
No details Danny !
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But if you can work your way through this document, and produce a concise precis, in Plain English, then you are a better man than me !
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But if you can work your way through this document, and produce a concise precis, in Plain English, then you are a better man than me !
Information is limited at the moment, but I did notice this from the FT:
//Northern Ireland: The issue that threatened to scupper Theresa May’s hopes of getting a deal this year. The final text is a finely balanced compromise intended to address the concerns of Mrs May’s partners in the DUP while also making clear Brussels’ and the UK’s determination to prevent a hard border. The deal sketches out a fallback plan for what would happen if Britain and the EU fail to settle the terms of their future relationship. In such a scenario, the UK would maintain “full alignment” with the EU internal market and customs union rules which “now or in the future” are important for preserving north-south trade.//
Does this clause apply just to NI or the UK as a whole? Because as the FT have written it, it seems to imply the latter.
If so, that would mean the UK defaults to effectively remaining in the EU if the second phase doesn't get anywhere - i.e. a mechanism for actually stopping Brexit which appears to be hidden in the small print. Am I reading this correctly?
//Northern Ireland: The issue that threatened to scupper Theresa May’s hopes of getting a deal this year. The final text is a finely balanced compromise intended to address the concerns of Mrs May’s partners in the DUP while also making clear Brussels’ and the UK’s determination to prevent a hard border. The deal sketches out a fallback plan for what would happen if Britain and the EU fail to settle the terms of their future relationship. In such a scenario, the UK would maintain “full alignment” with the EU internal market and customs union rules which “now or in the future” are important for preserving north-south trade.//
Does this clause apply just to NI or the UK as a whole? Because as the FT have written it, it seems to imply the latter.
If so, that would mean the UK defaults to effectively remaining in the EU if the second phase doesn't get anywhere - i.e. a mechanism for actually stopping Brexit which appears to be hidden in the small print. Am I reading this correctly?
It's about sensible people realising that there will have to be an arrangement which precludes the need for borders with the British Isles. I'd be amazed if there was a huge grasp by anyone of how it will work in practice. Someone has expllained to the DUP that there will be no border in the Irish Sea and they probably are sceptical, but they've had their day in the sun: there is nowhere else for them to go now.
It's a dose of reality for the wall builders
It's a dose of reality for the wall builders
OG....If this is indicative of Farage's attitude to the EU, then perhaps its better that he was kept out of any negotiations, lest he behave childishly again ::::
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