Angela Rayner/Kier Starmer Beer And Curry Party

[Deskdiary]

Just watching Rayner on the BBC and I have to say I think she's pretty impressive, much more so than her clown boss.

However...

Can we draw a line under this ridiculous idea that Starmer is "honourable" by saying he'll resign if fined?

1. Durham Constabulary do not issue retrospective fines - so Starmer will NOT be fined, and he knows this.

2. He refused to answer the question whether he would resign if Durham Constabulary found he broke the (absurd) rules, but wouldn't fine him.

3. During the investigation into Johnson (before Johnson was fined) Starmer was screaming for Johnson's Resignation. Why hasn't Starmer resigned? He's a hypocrite.

4. For months Starmer swore blind Rayner wasn't at the beer and curry party...until a photo was produced proving she was at the party, and then it becomes a "genuine mistake".

The man is a liar and is as far from being honourable as it's possible to be.

[Hopkirk]

Durham police have issued a retrospective covid breach fine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/starmer-police-gave-woman-retrospective-10-000-fine-9zgmfkmqw

[Peter Pedant]

Hi DD - cant remember if you are a foo-er - given to shrugging and saying "foo! I dont read any of his crap"

few points arise

Durham Constabulary do not issue retrospective fines

er they cant issue future fines can they? so if you think about it all Fixed Penalty Notices ( not fines) are retrospective.
Even more technical - sozza - PP pulls face down - Blackburn 1964 decided whether the police cd lawfully blanket declare - we arent doing X. They cdnt

2 if they fined him.... hem hem "if they issued a fixed penalty notice". havent we decided by 1. that they wdnt ?

3 makes no sense at all - but hey this is AB ! - Johnson had an FPN and Starmer didnt.

4. may be true but as the great Naomi says - so what?

[Peter Pedant]

oh, 1. is refuted by fact - no surprise there then

[Paul22118]

I do believe that the Home Office has issued a directive telling all police forces, including Durham, to expand the criteria for such investigations and penalties. Starmer cannot now be sure of escaping a FPT and if he stands by his word and receives one - he and Rayner will go.

[FatticusInch]

If Starmer is a clown I guess Johnson is the village idiot?
He certainly plays the bumbling fool as if he was born to it.

[Deskdiary]

I’m no fan of Johnson, as a number of previous posts will prove, but the fact is Starmer is no better. Starmer is a proven liar.

[THECORBYLOON]

I wonder if the folk criticizing Starmer for putting pressure on Durham police will say the same about the Home Office, if what PAUL has claimed is factual?

[FatticusInch]

Deskdiary
//I’m no fan of Johnson, as a number of previous posts will prove, but the fact is Starmer is no better. Starmer is a proven liar.//

Proof? Link? Proven by whom?
Fairly bold statement to make against a former DPP.
Let’s hear it?

[Deskdiary]

Err, he said, repeatedly, Rayner wasn’t at the beer and curry social knowing full well she was.

That’s a lie. And it’s a lie he said mor than once.

[Peter Pedant]

I admit I can see the parallel
Boris _ I didnt break the law ! - yes you did , you paid an FPN
Starmer - I / she wasnt at the curry house
yes she was - here is the photie

I think one CAN ( not necessarily IS) can be excused by oops

Having been done for DUI, doing it after an FPN or conviction is a bit of a long shot

[naomi24]

He also claims that some women have penises. I’m not sure whether that makes him a liar or just plain stupid, but I suspect the former.

[Peter Pedant]

no i'd go for stupid
er is he on AB ?

[ichkeria]

Keir

For the umpteenth time.
Or, if that’s too tricky, maybe “Rodders” :-)
Just saying …

[ichkeria]

I agree about AR though.

If she’d just ditch some of the “Tory scum” stuff

[emmie]

she has said it numerous times, ick, it does her no favours.

[FatticusInch]

Deskdiary
//Err, he said, repeatedly, Rayner wasn’t at the beer and curry social knowing full well she was.

That’s a lie. And it’s a lie he said mor than once.//

I guess he didn’t know she was in another room, they’re renowned for not being keen on each other. It was a one off.
Johnson on the other hand said repeatedly that there were no parties, then when it was found that there were he claimed all guidance was followed. Clearly not.
The main accusation is the misleading of parliament, which Starmer is not being investigated for.
Johnson is a proven serial liar, Starmer does not yet bear such accusations, only from you.
What if Starmer does get an FPN and resign? Rayner has said she will too.
Do you believe Johnson will do the same?
Of course not, because he hasn’t despite getting one.
All politicians can be evasive and economical with the truth. When the PM does it so blatantly and frequently it sort of becomes a problem.

[Hopkirk]

Deskdiary: "he said, repeatedly, Rayner wasn’t at the beer and curry social knowing full well she was.

That’s a lie. And it’s a lie he said more than once."

I haven't heard or seen any evidence that SKS ever commented on whether Angela Rayner was present. It was Labour central office who incorrectly reported she wasn't there, and corrected themselves.

[William51]

This goes to show how some MPs are liars and out to get away with things if possible.

[FatticusInch]

William51
//This goes to show how some MPs are liars and out to get away with things if possible.//

It does, but after the recent vote he’ll be gone shortly and we’ll have a new PM.

[naomi24]

//I guess he didn’t know she was in another room//

Splutter! :o)))