Scole Farmhouse, Diss

[MsEVP]

Has anyone reading this experienced the phenomena in the cellar of the Scole Farmhouse?

[naomi24]

What's happening there then?

[MsEVP]

Gosh, Naomi, how do I answer this. Well, first of all it`s not happening now but some years ago a group called Spiritual Scientists, run by Robin Foy and his wife, had some remarkable `happenings` in their cellar. Eventually people from all over the world, including well-known scientists, visited them and studied them.

I don`t know if you can appreciate what I mean when I say that if you`ve ever experienced something that makes such an impact on your life, the highlight of your life, and it`s quite a rare thing, it doesn`t happen to many people, some time down the road you want to share it, go over it with someone else who has experienced it as well.

That`s what I`m doing now.

Thank you for your interest, Naomi, and I wish it WERE happening now.

[naomi24]

I've had a quick 'google', but unless I go through pages and pages, it seems I'm unlikely to find the conclusions that were reached from these experiments. Apart from a report of a crystal disappearing from a pyrex bowl in a dark room (which at first glance seems to me to be highly suspect), I can't discern what phenoma you're asking about. What happened?

I have experienced what, for want of a better term at the moment, I'll have to call 'supernatural phenomena', but I'm always dubious of experiments conducted by people who 'believe' in something, simply because they want the experiment to work, and are, therefore, likely to interpret results to suit their agenda and to discount all other possibilities. Having said that, I am interested. Please tell me more about it.

[redcrx]

is the farmhouse still owned by the same occupants? perhaps you could contact them and see if they have details fo those who visited. I doubt there would be many if its a private home.

Im with you naomi, these things are often run by believers. Im a member of a group (just joined so yet to go on investigations) where the couple than run it are completely opposite in their beliefs, it makes for some good discussions lol

[naomi24]

Do you mean a group investigating psychic phenomena, red, or a Spiritualists circle?

[redcrx]

paranormal investigation naomi, anything unusual that isnt explained as yet.

[naomi24]

Oh, great! Do please let me know how it goes, won't you? I'm not religious in any way at all, and I don't think any of this has anything to do with religion, but I'm very interested in the subject from a scientific point of view. Hope your group is nothing like the 'Most Haunted.' bunch! :o)

[redcrx]

lol nothing like them, although one of the original MH team is good friends with the couple running mine.

Ive always been interested, first place to investigate is my own flat as there have been some strange occurances. The couple who run this group have different opinions, the guy will be quick to believe in ghosts and things but the woman tries her hardest to find logical explanations for everything. They even have stuff happening in their own home and have had many witnesses and yet she still doesnt think its anything that cant be explained lol

[keyplus90]

So in simple words she is another Naomi then......

[keyplus90]

I have seen something with my own eyes and have asked many for scientific explanation but did not get any so far. When we were kids we used to see a guy wandering in our area. He was about 30, shaved head, a bit over weight. No one knew where he came from, people used to give him food and he would only eat little bit and give the rest to birds etc. Any way strange thing what I wanted to say was that one day we saw him sitting there in the street and was almost slicing his toe nails with a razor blade he got from some where. Few people tried to stop him but he did not listen to anyone. Later on when he was not there we saw his toe nails plus blood was still there and few nails were as pulled out of the root. Every one thought he is mad, insane or what ever you could call so don�t worry.

Guess what very next day we saw him sitting a couple of street away and specifically I looked at his toe nails and there was nothing wrong there. Not even a cut any where.
Now what would you call it

[redcrx]

his twin??

bit spooky though

[naomi24]

That lady does sound a bit like me. Very sensible to look for rational answers before coming to a definite conclusion on the supernatural.

Now, your man. From what you've said, I doubt he was supernatural. Ghosts (as far as I'm aware) don't eat, since they have no bodies and no need for food. According to the bible, angels ate, but then I don't think they were supernatural. However, that's another story.

You must know that the smallest cut can produce enormous amounts of blood. Injuries often look far worse than they really are simply due to the amount of blood that issues from them. Just how closely did you examine this man's feet? Perhaps his toenails had been very long which was why he felt the need to cut them with the razor blade, and what you saw lying on the ground were long clippings. I have a friend who keeps her toenails very long and polished - like ladies fingernails. They're so long that when she walks in the sand, they leave imprints. I don't know how she does it, but she likes them like that. I think his toenails must have been long like hers.

Don't forget you were a child, Keyplus, and children have very active imaginations - often over-active. Looking at it logically, not only were you a child, but you were a child from a superstitious, highly religious, eastern society, where it's likely that people were easily influenced into believing that anything considered to be a little odd was, indeed, supernatural. In fact, with all due respect, some of the things you believe in and say now, as an adult, with regard to the supernatural, astound me.

A wanderer with long toenails is my verdict.

[naomi24]

MsEVP, do please tell us more about these experiments.

[naomi24]

What's happening in your flat, then, Red?

[chakka35]

Gosh, naomi, how you reconcile rational thinking like that with some of your weird beliefs is beyond me.
But remain a fan, even with my mouth agape. Love.

[MsEVP]

Oh Gosh, I know the impossibility of trying to convince anyone of something they have not experienced themselves. So I`m not going to. Very briefly, if any of you who`ve shown an interest in this subject I`d suggest that you read: THE SCOLE REPORT (FROM SURVIVAL OF BODILY DEATH CONFERENCE0 or something similar. Members of the SPR , including Montague Keen and David Fontana,had 3-hour sittings at Scole every month for two years! Shows you how seriously it was taken. The Group started in 1994 by Robin Foy, a man well-known for his honesty and integrity that was never brought into question. Many of the phenomena experienced have never been witnessed or produced anywhere in the world. There were incredible results with `psychic` photography so much so that at one point representatives from the Polaroid company were able to sit in, fiercely guarding in their hands a camera holding a factory-sealed film. When they developed the films many clear images of various odd items, places and people were seen. This is just one of the hundreds of physical phenomena that occurred in an absolutely pitch-black cold cellar. Thousands of visitors from all over the world were privileged to take part in the sittings. I was one of them. The thing that made the strongest assault on my senses was the `thickening` of the blackness and the drop in temperature. Discarnate hands and other objects were seen when they were lit up by the moving balls of light, which also `danced` in rhythmn to the recorder music being played. There were apports and asports, voices from all over the room. Some of the lights stopped in front of people and then entered their bodies. The light felt `solid` and it buzzed around INSIDE my chest and then whooshed out of my hand. That`s just a fraction.
The Foys have retired to Spain now as they have done the work that was asked of them. Those who were lucky enough to see were convinced.

`nuff said, thanks for listening, Tina

[naomi24]

Why, thank you Chakka - how kind. The secret is that it's all done without a single swipe of the thought-restricting Occam's Razor. :o)

Tina, that sounds incredible - and alarming. Didn't it frighten you? I've never heard of these experiments, but I have a friend who is a spiritualist, so I'll ask her what she thinks. You have no need to try to convince me that a spiritual world exists, but for the reasons given above, I'm always suspicious when spiritualists go ghost hunting and get spectacular results. Why do these things never occur when open-minded scientists carry out experiments? It's a mystery to me - but I wish they would. It would be wonderful if someone could prove it beyond doubt.

[keyplus90]

When I said that we were kids that means when we started seeing him around. This incident took place when I was about 16. And I do know difference between nail clippings and nails slices along with part of toes. Then the society you think I am from is far advance than what you have in your mind. We do not believe in superstitions. In restricted words I am talking about a Muslim country and not a Hindu society. But your problem is that you just have to find some sort of excuse to deny people�s personal experiences. I am 100% sure what I saw, now if you were not there then you have to assume that it must have been the way someone is saying. Because one thing I am quiet sure about myself that I do not have to tell lie to make someone believe me and especially someone I have and will never see. I am not sure what things have you read from me that astound you, what I have seen so far you are most of the time pretend like that any way.

[MsEVP]

get back to you tomorrow, Naomi. nite

[naomi24]

Keyplus, you asked 'Now what would you call it', and I told you what I would call it. A Wanderer with long toenails.

An example of the things you say that astound me ........

Although I am not Christian (By Faith) but I believe in Jesus ............. I believe he spoke to people soon after he was born, I believe that he made birds out of clay and birds became real when he blew on them.

No pretence from me. They're your words. And you say you don't come from a supersitious society? :o)

Thanks Tina. I look forward to it.