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Here are some startling figures on which to contemplate, if one is concerned at the demise of our once wonderful NHS.
/// The issue, dubbed ‘health tourism’, is thought to cost the NHS as much as £200million a year. ///
What could be done with this amount of money?
Here are some startling figures on which to contemplate, if one is concerned at the demise of our once wonderful NHS.
/// The issue, dubbed ‘health tourism’, is thought to cost the NHS as much as £200million a year. ///
What could be done with this amount of money?
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Didn't you start this cr@p just a while ago when I pointed out to you it was a fraction of a percent of the NHS budget.
As it happen my wif'e just had to be admitted as an emergency into hospital - She was seen and admitted it a matter of hours, bllod tests and xrays have been done quickly and efficiently.
She's got private medical insurance but they said not to bother as it really made no difference in the speed or treatments she'd get.
Can't praise them high enough
I wish you'd damn well stop playing down one of the greatest institutions this country's ever formed
As it happen my wif'e just had to be admitted as an emergency into hospital - She was seen and admitted it a matter of hours, bllod tests and xrays have been done quickly and efficiently.
She's got private medical insurance but they said not to bother as it really made no difference in the speed or treatments she'd get.
Can't praise them high enough
I wish you'd damn well stop playing down one of the greatest institutions this country's ever formed
jake-the-peg
Yet another typical response, from one who is not prepared to start a sensible debate on this, but can only use expletives, followed by complete lies, I refer of course to this statement:
/// I wish you'd damn well stop playing down one of the greatest institutions this country's ever formed ///
I am not playing down the NHS, only criticising others abuse of it at the British taxpayers expense.
I am sorry your wife had the need to be admitted to hospital in an emergency, and thankfully was treated to your satisfaction, but that is one case, and I am sure that there are others who rightfully are not satisfied with the service, since they are forced to go abroad and pay privately for the drugs that the NHS can't afford to give out.
Perhaps another £200 million a year would make some difference I'm sure.
Perhaps you would also have a different approach on this had your wife been lacking in her treatment due to the lack of funds?
Yet another typical response, from one who is not prepared to start a sensible debate on this, but can only use expletives, followed by complete lies, I refer of course to this statement:
/// I wish you'd damn well stop playing down one of the greatest institutions this country's ever formed ///
I am not playing down the NHS, only criticising others abuse of it at the British taxpayers expense.
I am sorry your wife had the need to be admitted to hospital in an emergency, and thankfully was treated to your satisfaction, but that is one case, and I am sure that there are others who rightfully are not satisfied with the service, since they are forced to go abroad and pay privately for the drugs that the NHS can't afford to give out.
Perhaps another £200 million a year would make some difference I'm sure.
Perhaps you would also have a different approach on this had your wife been lacking in her treatment due to the lack of funds?
<complete lies - I am not playing down the NHS>
So what is this <demise of our once wonderful NHS>
Demise: verb - to die
<Once wonderful> do you mean it is now better than wonderful? Sorry I was reading that as a decline from wonderful.
So when you say you are <not playing down the NHS> you mean apart from suggesting it is in decline and dying?
<Perhaps you would also have a different approach on this had your wife been lacking in her treatment due to the lack of funds?>
But she wasn't.
Which is the factual evidence that doesn't seem to register with some types.
Especially those who can't tell the difference between truth and lies such as those who claim that suggesting something is in decline and dying isn't 'playing it down'.
So what is this <demise of our once wonderful NHS>
Demise: verb - to die
<Once wonderful> do you mean it is now better than wonderful? Sorry I was reading that as a decline from wonderful.
So when you say you are <not playing down the NHS> you mean apart from suggesting it is in decline and dying?
<Perhaps you would also have a different approach on this had your wife been lacking in her treatment due to the lack of funds?>
But she wasn't.
Which is the factual evidence that doesn't seem to register with some types.
Especially those who can't tell the difference between truth and lies such as those who claim that suggesting something is in decline and dying isn't 'playing it down'.
AOG...i think you posted the same question last week too.
Is THIS week's question more about what could be done with the (alleged) £200 million 'health tourism' costs the NHS?
We would need a hospital/care centre manager or a clinical administrator to answer that as its a question about NHS funding, which it's difficult for an outside to comment on.
Also, isn't there a dispute over the £200 million figure?
Is THIS week's question more about what could be done with the (alleged) £200 million 'health tourism' costs the NHS?
We would need a hospital/care centre manager or a clinical administrator to answer that as its a question about NHS funding, which it's difficult for an outside to comment on.
Also, isn't there a dispute over the £200 million figure?
AOG
From the excellent fullfact.org website (always best to double-check there before relying on figures published in the press):
[i]When asked in the House of Commons for the sums lost in this way in March, Health Minister Anne Milton revealed that it had cost the public purse just shy of £7 million in 2009-10, some way short of Mr Littlejohn's estimate.
Where then does the £200 million figure come from, and what can explain such a wide divergence in the estimates?
After doing some digging, Full Fact found that the £200 million figure had been cropping up in discussions of health tourism for many years. We were able to trace its provenance back to an estimate made in 2003 by debt collection agency CCI Legal Services, which works with the NHS to recover payments owed.
As media reports made clear at the time, CCI had actually estimated that the costs could be anywhere between £50 million and £200 million (in choosing to report the higher figure, Mr Littlejohn is of course not alone).
The estimate is several times larger than the sums reported by Ms Milton because the Government's figure only considers recognised debts that have been written off, whereas CCI attempted to account for overseas patients that go undetected by the health service, and therefore claim free care for which they were not eligible.
We got in touch with CCI in order to try to put the £200 million figure into some kind of context, and while a spokesperson told us that the firm no longer held copies of the 2003 research, they were able to give us a bit more detail to the estimate.
Most significantly, the spokesperson told us that while they thought the likely costs incurred by overseas patients were still “significant”, they were likely to have fallen since the 2003 estimate was made, as there had been “greater awareness of the issue and greater effort to tackle it."[i]
From the excellent fullfact.org website (always best to double-check there before relying on figures published in the press):
[i]When asked in the House of Commons for the sums lost in this way in March, Health Minister Anne Milton revealed that it had cost the public purse just shy of £7 million in 2009-10, some way short of Mr Littlejohn's estimate.
Where then does the £200 million figure come from, and what can explain such a wide divergence in the estimates?
After doing some digging, Full Fact found that the £200 million figure had been cropping up in discussions of health tourism for many years. We were able to trace its provenance back to an estimate made in 2003 by debt collection agency CCI Legal Services, which works with the NHS to recover payments owed.
As media reports made clear at the time, CCI had actually estimated that the costs could be anywhere between £50 million and £200 million (in choosing to report the higher figure, Mr Littlejohn is of course not alone).
The estimate is several times larger than the sums reported by Ms Milton because the Government's figure only considers recognised debts that have been written off, whereas CCI attempted to account for overseas patients that go undetected by the health service, and therefore claim free care for which they were not eligible.
We got in touch with CCI in order to try to put the £200 million figure into some kind of context, and while a spokesperson told us that the firm no longer held copies of the 2003 research, they were able to give us a bit more detail to the estimate.
Most significantly, the spokesperson told us that while they thought the likely costs incurred by overseas patients were still “significant”, they were likely to have fallen since the 2003 estimate was made, as there had been “greater awareness of the issue and greater effort to tackle it."[i]
/// AOG...i think you posted the same question last week too. ///
No a 'similar' question, the one I posted on the 24th August was regarding a particular Nigerian woman coming over to the UK to have a Caesarean carried out costing UK taxpayers £10,000.
This one is about the cost of 'health tourism' to the NHS, said to cost about £200m per year.
No a 'similar' question, the one I posted on the 24th August was regarding a particular Nigerian woman coming over to the UK to have a Caesarean carried out costing UK taxpayers £10,000.
This one is about the cost of 'health tourism' to the NHS, said to cost about £200m per year.
sp1814
http://www.whatdothey...ost_of_health_tourism
It would seem that they do not hold any figures.
/// I can confirm that the Department does not hold information relevant to your request. The Department does not hold any records for those patients who received free healthcare but were not entitled to it. ///
Very professional I wouldn't say.
http://www.whatdothey...ost_of_health_tourism
It would seem that they do not hold any figures.
/// I can confirm that the Department does not hold information relevant to your request. The Department does not hold any records for those patients who received free healthcare but were not entitled to it. ///
Very professional I wouldn't say.
Indeed
The 'thought-fascists' seem to be perplexed when factual criticisms are made of what they write - perhaps because their own thinking and writing is so sloppy and reliant on mindless cliches.
A good illustration above. No one denies Old Git the right to post anything he likes. But it appears that when discrepancies and untruths therein are pointed out, the likes of baz display their inability to comprehend or respond intelligently.
The 'thought-fascists' seem to be perplexed when factual criticisms are made of what they write - perhaps because their own thinking and writing is so sloppy and reliant on mindless cliches.
A good illustration above. No one denies Old Git the right to post anything he likes. But it appears that when discrepancies and untruths therein are pointed out, the likes of baz display their inability to comprehend or respond intelligently.
so let the government of the day privatise all medical care in Britain, and then use the money that we once paid in contributions to go into private medical care schemes. That way there is no argument as to who gets what treatment. That of course is not going to happen, too many holes in it i hear you yell.
But it comes to something when there are those who abuse the system, get much out of it, but never paid a penny into it. Whether they be health tourists, or lazy British bums who haven't lifted a finger. Personally i don't see what is so great about the NHS, not anymore.
But it comes to something when there are those who abuse the system, get much out of it, but never paid a penny into it. Whether they be health tourists, or lazy British bums who haven't lifted a finger. Personally i don't see what is so great about the NHS, not anymore.
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