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Forgive me if I have asked this question before( age you know)
why do some Scots want to break away from THE UNITED KINGDOM & are begging to be ruled from Brussels ?
why do some Scots want to break away from THE UNITED KINGDOM & are begging to be ruled from Brussels ?
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Well folks, I certainly don't hate the English. As a Scot I do resent being ruled by Westminster and would be preferred a different outcome to the yes/no referendum. I see Scotland as a nation, not just an appendage to England - I wish I had a pound for every time I have heard "the Queen of England". That aside, I think Scotland must look after its own interests - fishing, farming etc. and need to be in Europe to get the best deals it can.
Yes it’s extremely odd.
Scotland entered into the Union with England willingly (in fact, some versions of the events at that time suggest they were positively begging to be conjoined). I know things change, especially over 300 years. However, what the SNP now seems keen on is to be free of its ties with the rest of the UK to join an organisation which is undemocratic and moribund and where they will have absolutely no influence whatsoever (the UK has very little; a country with about 8% of the UK’s population will have considerably less).
Their main complaint seems to be that, being ruled from Westminster, Scottish interests are seldom considered when decisions about the UK as a whole are taken. But currently they have the best of both worlds. They have a devolved administration with powers over matters which English areas with a similar GDP and population could only dream of. They have influence in Westminster (including voting rights over matters which do not concern them) with all bar five of their MPs from a party concerned solely with Scottish matters. They benefit from far more public spending per head than their counterparts in England. But they seem willing to relinquish all that to become (in their dreams) an independent sovereign nation with full membership of the EU.
Of course there is always the money. If admitted to the EU they would almost certainly be net beneficiaries of the EU’s munificence (with other people’s money, natch). But their chances of admission to the EU are about as close to zero as can be imagined. I just don’t understand it. But I wish they’d hold their second referendum instead of talking about it. If they succeed, goodbye and good luck to them (so long as the “transitional funding” which will inevitably follow their departure does not cost too much). If they fail to gain enough support (as I suspect they will) that would hopefully put the matter to bed for a generation or more.
One thing is for sure – the 1.6m votes cast in Scotland to Remain in the EU cannot and will not trump the 17.1m votes to leave which were cast from across the UK. Scotland is part of the UK (it had its chance to leave in 2014 and declined). The UK is leaving – fully leaving according to Mrs May – the EU and that means Scotland with it.
“That aside, I think Scotland must look after its own interests - fishing, farming etc. and need to be in Europe to get the best deals it can.”
Ask the fishermen of Hull and Grimsby what sort of hand the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy has dealt them, maggie. If Scotland needs to look after its own interests, the very last place it needs to be is in the EU.
“…just get irked by their chippy attitude to everybody else in the world.”
Explain a little more please, douglas.
Scotland entered into the Union with England willingly (in fact, some versions of the events at that time suggest they were positively begging to be conjoined). I know things change, especially over 300 years. However, what the SNP now seems keen on is to be free of its ties with the rest of the UK to join an organisation which is undemocratic and moribund and where they will have absolutely no influence whatsoever (the UK has very little; a country with about 8% of the UK’s population will have considerably less).
Their main complaint seems to be that, being ruled from Westminster, Scottish interests are seldom considered when decisions about the UK as a whole are taken. But currently they have the best of both worlds. They have a devolved administration with powers over matters which English areas with a similar GDP and population could only dream of. They have influence in Westminster (including voting rights over matters which do not concern them) with all bar five of their MPs from a party concerned solely with Scottish matters. They benefit from far more public spending per head than their counterparts in England. But they seem willing to relinquish all that to become (in their dreams) an independent sovereign nation with full membership of the EU.
Of course there is always the money. If admitted to the EU they would almost certainly be net beneficiaries of the EU’s munificence (with other people’s money, natch). But their chances of admission to the EU are about as close to zero as can be imagined. I just don’t understand it. But I wish they’d hold their second referendum instead of talking about it. If they succeed, goodbye and good luck to them (so long as the “transitional funding” which will inevitably follow their departure does not cost too much). If they fail to gain enough support (as I suspect they will) that would hopefully put the matter to bed for a generation or more.
One thing is for sure – the 1.6m votes cast in Scotland to Remain in the EU cannot and will not trump the 17.1m votes to leave which were cast from across the UK. Scotland is part of the UK (it had its chance to leave in 2014 and declined). The UK is leaving – fully leaving according to Mrs May – the EU and that means Scotland with it.
“That aside, I think Scotland must look after its own interests - fishing, farming etc. and need to be in Europe to get the best deals it can.”
Ask the fishermen of Hull and Grimsby what sort of hand the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy has dealt them, maggie. If Scotland needs to look after its own interests, the very last place it needs to be is in the EU.
“…just get irked by their chippy attitude to everybody else in the world.”
Explain a little more please, douglas.
Thanks douglas, You explained what "chippy" means whilst I was typing.
What on earth gives you the impression that the English have somehow "...a grievance or a sense of inferiority." I certainly have no grievance (apart from being turned over by the Barnett Formula, but I can live with that). Nor do I have a sense of inferiority (or, for the record, of superiority either).
What on earth gives you the impression that the English have somehow "...a grievance or a sense of inferiority." I certainly have no grievance (apart from being turned over by the Barnett Formula, but I can live with that). Nor do I have a sense of inferiority (or, for the record, of superiority either).
I confess that I base my judgements solely on reading comments from certain individuals harping on (and on) about how things were better before the Norman invasion/Magna Carta/the armada/end of empire/decimalisation/jeans bought with holes built into the knees and Channel 5.
That's not an exhaustive list btw. :)
That's not an exhaustive list btw. :)
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"Because as a small nation inside the EU they will get loads more cash than they do currently from hanging on to our coat tails!"
Yes Eddie, I'm sure you're absolutely right. At least that's their belief and aspirations.
There is no doubt that were Scotland to be an independent nation and an EU member it would be a considerable net beneficiary from the EU. That organisation only has five net contributors (soon to be just four) who provide the funds for the other twenty-three. There is obviously some ambition among Ms Sturgeon and her chums to join up and be eligible for huge subsidies. The problem is that it is doubtful in the extreme that the Scottish economy would meet the criteria for EU membership and they would have to adopt the euro. The even bigger problem is that Spain for one (and there would probably be more members) at the very least would veto their admission.
"...comments from certain individuals harping on (and on) about how things were better before the Norman invasion/Magna Carta/the armada/end of empire/decimalisation/jeans bought with holes built into the knees and Channel 5. "
The only time things were better, douglas, was prior to 1972, for reasons I'm sure you don't need me to explain!
Yes Eddie, I'm sure you're absolutely right. At least that's their belief and aspirations.
There is no doubt that were Scotland to be an independent nation and an EU member it would be a considerable net beneficiary from the EU. That organisation only has five net contributors (soon to be just four) who provide the funds for the other twenty-three. There is obviously some ambition among Ms Sturgeon and her chums to join up and be eligible for huge subsidies. The problem is that it is doubtful in the extreme that the Scottish economy would meet the criteria for EU membership and they would have to adopt the euro. The even bigger problem is that Spain for one (and there would probably be more members) at the very least would veto their admission.
"...comments from certain individuals harping on (and on) about how things were better before the Norman invasion/Magna Carta/the armada/end of empire/decimalisation/jeans bought with holes built into the knees and Channel 5. "
The only time things were better, douglas, was prior to 1972, for reasons I'm sure you don't need me to explain!
"As an aside, Ron, Scotch people object to being called Scots.."
I always understood it to be the other way round. I thought the only things Scotch (or Scottish) were lamb, beef, eggs and of course the golden nectar. I thought the people preferred to be known as "Scots". Perhaps douglas or maggie can enlighten us.
I always understood it to be the other way round. I thought the only things Scotch (or Scottish) were lamb, beef, eggs and of course the golden nectar. I thought the people preferred to be known as "Scots". Perhaps douglas or maggie can enlighten us.
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