what do you belive?

[loopyc]

what do you lovely ab's belive happens to us when we die? x

[Drusilla]

We will be remembered by those we have loved and cared about and no more. We have had our time and our place in this world and our death will make way for others to make of life, what they will.

[iwbus]

BT will still try and call us for "customer surveys"

[gessoo]

Totally agree with Drusilla

[Julia6]

I work in a Hospice as a counsellor. I have come to believe, due to what people 'see' when very poorly, that there is something more after this life. These people, at this point, are totally lucid and are able to describe what they see. So many times do they tell of relatives or friends coming for them to safely take them away from this plain. I obviously have never expereinced this for myself (as I am, and hope to remain for a long time yet, very well) but I don't doubt what I've been told. Julia.

[oakleydoaky]

i can see this post getting a lot of conflicting ideas!

Me, I am a commited Christian. My body dies (burn it and flush it down the loo for all I care). My soul enters a spiritual realm. I sleep until I am called at the return of Christ. I then live in a perfect place in the presence of God for eternity (It's all about faith. But thats my short version!). I am afraid fundamental Christanity doesn't leave much room for anyone who doesn't 'come to the father except through christ' as the bible says. but isnt the wording interesting? it is christ who is the judge, not me or any other christian.....but there will be christians who say that you must be a christian.....that isnt what it says, is it? the perfect judgement of christ will know what is in the hearts of people....people who have been misled etc....

I had a conversation recently with a friend who is a universalist (everyone is ok in the end). I said if he was right, then i am ok and he is ok. If is is wrong, then i am ok and he may not be!

[loopyc]

thank you for that julia the reason this q arose is that my nan is terminally ill with cancer and in her last weeks. so it got me thinking.

[WaldoMcFroog]

"if he was right, then i am ok and he is ok. If is is wrong, then i am ok and he may not be!"

But that is moral cowardice. To believe something because the consequences of not doing may be injurous is surely wrong, and in any case, certainly doesn't jibe with my understanding of what it should mean to have faith in such matters.

In my case, I am unable to accept the arguements and proposed evidence for any sort of deity/afterlife since they are, to my mind, illogical and unconvincing.

Therefore, although its not necessarily comforting to think this, I believe that my body will return to its consituent atoms and my consciousness will come to an end. I will continue to exist only in the minds of those left behind and in any works that survive me (and I'm not using 'works' to suggest I'll necessarily leave any legacy of great importance behind, simply family letters etc).

[Julia6]

Hello there loopyc, sorry to hear that your Nan is poorly. I guess this may be a difficult time for you and your family. I don't know if you have considered Hospice care, either at Home or as an inpatient? A lot of people are of the impression that a Hospice is a sad and gloomy place. That's not true. Obviouly there is sadness but also a great deal of support and tender loving care for all patients and their family. Appropriate laughter abounds, and they feel so much different than a hospital. Take care of yourself. Julia.

[WaldoMcFroog]

LoopyC, given your situation, perhaps you won't mind if I post the lyrics to a favourite song of mine. I know they've given many people comfort in the past, and perhaps they might offer a little to you.

Feeling you shake
Feel your heart break
Thinking if only, if only, if only, if only
And the salt water runs
Through your veins and your bones
Telling you no not this way, not this way, not this way
And you would give anything
Give up everything
Offer your life blood away
For yesterday

No one leaves you
When you live in their heart and mind
And no one dies
They just move to the other side
When we're gone
Watch the world simply carry on
We live on laughing and in no pain
We'll stay and be happy
With those who have loved us today

Finding the answer
It's a human obsession
But you might as well talk to the stones and the trees and the sea
'Cause nobody knows
And so few can see
There's only beauty and caring and truth beyond darkness

No one leaves you
When you live in their heart and mind
And no one dies
They just move to the other side
When we're gone
Watch the world simply carry on
We live on laughing and in no pain
We'll stay and be happy
With those who have loved us today

And we won't understand your grief
Because time is illusion
As this watery world spins around
This timeless sun
Will dry your eyes
And calm your mind

No one leaves you
When you live in their heart and mind
And no one dies
They just move to the other side
When we're gone
Watch the world simply carry on
It's okay, we will stay and be happy
Stay and be happy
With those who have loved us today

Estonia - Lyrics by Steve Hogarth

[loopyc]

thank you waldo mcfroog very touching lyrics.

[Lonnie]

Our body goes back whence it came, to the soil, to feed and nourish other creatures, if you believe in the afterlife, (which I don't), then your soul goes to a better place. The atoms that make up your body, go to make other living and non living things, so think carefully before you swat a Wasp, kill a weed, break a rock, you could be damaging something that has the atoms of a dear departed one.

In the words of that immortal song, 'They're coming to take me away, ha ha'.

[Pebbles]

to julia6, My Nan told her daughter that she saw both her late husbands at the foot of her bed. She died a few days later.