How Do You Avoid Being Labelled As A Collaborator?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42028290
Easy! do not collaborate!

[jim360]

Maybe we should just give up and try the 1948 India/Pakistan Solution.

[Gromit]

How to avoid being a moron. Don’t post moronic ‘questions’.

[Mamyalynne]

Made a note.

[ToraToraTora]

bit harsh on the MP their Gromit.

[mikey4444]

TTT....I posted on here, a few days ago, that John Redwood has been advising people to take their money out of Britain and invest overseas.

He is on the loony-right of the Tory Party...do I take it that he is a "Vichy Brit" ?

[cassa333]

I don't have a problem with naming MPs on their parliamentary voting. They vote on our behalf and should be open about these things. Doing dirty little deals in the back rooms of parliament is grubby and not becoming. Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are in a minority or sit down.

What I do have a problem with is name calling (by either side). There really is no need.

Facts speak loud enough, you don't have to add insults as it just demeans what you are trying to say.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Doing dirty little deals in the back rooms of parliament is grubby and not becoming’

No, but it’s what makes the world go round.

[Old_Geezer]

There's a thin line between name calling, and legitimate labeling. Time will show what the suggested amendments are and judgement can be used to see who is making a relevant and necessary point and who is trying to wreck or delay.

[ToraToraTora]

mikey; "He is on the loony-right of the Tory Party...do I take it that he is a "Vichy Brit" ? " - no he's not trying to scupper the will of the majority, he's giving financial advice.

[mikey4444]

Yes TTT...you are right. He is giving financial advice, and that advice is for people to take their money out of Britain and invest it overseas. This is coming from a former Member of the Tory Cabinet.

You are very quick to call anybody a "collaborator" when it comes to BREXIT issues. You even invented a term all of your own....."Vichy British"

So, do you think Redwood falls into any of the two categories above ?

[ToraToraTora]

No, he has a view on the financial outlook that may be correct. He's not trying to collaborate with a foreign power to undermine his own country. One of the things that you and others fail to acknowledge is that we know there may be problems, things may get worse, we accept that as a price to extricate ourselves from the EUSSR. The fact that someone is pragmatic enough to give financial advice shows that.

[Zacs-Master]

Tora, do you believe if a large number of people followed his advice it would be good for Britain?

[ToraToraTora]

No it would not be good, clearly.

[mikey4444]

TTT...if Redwood was an ex Labour minister, and was saying the same, you would be frothing at the mouth with rage.

Why are you not condemning this traitor ?

He was the Tory Governor General of Wales a few years ago, and was a popular as a rat sandwich. When he foolishly challenged the Iron Lady for leadership of the Party, we were quids in in Wales.....if he won, he would have been across Pont Hafren like a scalded cat....if he lost, ditto. Hateful man.

[Jackdaw33]

Redwood is no idiot. He is a Doctor of Philosophy but chooses not to advertise the fact.

[mikey4444]

He may have all the qualifications in the world Jack, but when an ex-Government Minister starts to advise people to take their money out of Britain, and invest it abroad, he will have lost the plot.

Puzzles me though, why he is not being condemned more here on AB ?

[mikey4444]

He may not now be a current Minister but he is still an MP, and is also currently co chairman of the Conservative Party's Policy Review Group on Economic Competitiveness.

[Kromovaracun]

Redwood's intelligence and behaviour underline that he is fundamentally a cynical and nihilistic person and did not believe the predictions his side were making over a post-Brexit economic miracle. The man speaks with a forked tongue.

I would not call him a "traitor" though. That is a term bandied around far too casually these days.

[Kromovaracun]

Same applies to "collaborator", "vichy British" and other such far-right obsessions.

We are not a great power and have not been for generations. We are not in the midst of WW2. We are a small country that suffers from major delusions of grandeur.

[davegosling]

"We are a small country that suffers from major delusions of grandeur"

Correct. And, despite what the hard Brexiters seem to believe, we no longer have anything that the rest of the world would want to buy from us.

"Hell in a handcart" doesn't even come close...