Christmas In The Good Old Days
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Jacob Rees -Mogg
Can't supply a link but Jacob R-M is smashing it on Jeremy Vile at the moment ( TV channel 5). He's a prime example of how pure genius and intelligence can make any journalist look like a fool. He is wiping the floor with the whole panel who keep changing the subject of debate to try and trap him.
Rock on Jacob -Jacob for PM!
Rock on Jacob -Jacob for PM!
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“Just a pity he is mired in centuries-
10:58 Tue 11th Sep 2018
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He is a Christian so I suppose yes he's mired in centuries old attitudes as are millions of people world wide. Apparently he's backing Boris for PM and asked how he could do that , following all the sexual allegations against Boris, he made the pertinent reply that it is not up to him to judge. This shows that yes, he has beliefs that some may now find old fashioned and dated, but he's not pressuring anyone to follow those beliefs, nor castigating anyone for following a lifestyle he would not choose.
Gromit, he stated today he is and always will be a back bench MP and he just wants to concentrate on getting a good Brexit deal. I would love to see him as PM but don't think he ever will be. I would hazard a guess the members of his party who ' can't stand him' have other agendas. Rees Mogg is never going to be a 'yes' man neither for his career nor his Party.
But he was pro banning abortion event when the woman concerned has been raped, Aunt Lydia so he DOES judge, he's just a clever and articulate man who has benefited from the class system by having an excellent education at that time only available to people from his social class, and uses it, obviously, to his advantage.
If you'd taken a kid from a sink hole estate and swapped them over when they were babies that lowly chav would be exactly the same. He's nothing special he's just a product of the ruling classes.
If you'd taken a kid from a sink hole estate and swapped them over when they were babies that lowly chav would be exactly the same. He's nothing special he's just a product of the ruling classes.
I doubt he was judging the woman who had been raped kval. This is the whole point, you can deeply believe that something should not be allowed, but not judge those that are choosing to do it if it was legal. I'm sure there were plenty of anti-abortionists making a lot more noise and aggravation at the rally that were not as 'privileged' as Rees-Mogg.
As for your theory that only the privileged few are likely to be eloquent articulate and intelligent is frankly too simplistic and denigrates those many people who have clawed their way up from relative poverty through Grammar school and onto leadership.
My youngest goes to a 'posh' independent school ( on a bursary we are not rich) and believe me an expensive education is not a carte blanche to intelligence. It takes a good deal of passion and determination to become a leader when the family fortune could basically prop you up for life with very little effort on your part.
As for your theory that only the privileged few are likely to be eloquent articulate and intelligent is frankly too simplistic and denigrates those many people who have clawed their way up from relative poverty through Grammar school and onto leadership.
My youngest goes to a 'posh' independent school ( on a bursary we are not rich) and believe me an expensive education is not a carte blanche to intelligence. It takes a good deal of passion and determination to become a leader when the family fortune could basically prop you up for life with very little effort on your part.
AuntLydia - I was about to post the exact same sentiments - education is more about how it is used afterwards, than the actual source of knowledge.
Mr Rees-Mogg is a highly educated and intelligent man, although I disagree with his abortion views.
If privilege and wealth were the simple keys to a successful and productive life, then Prince Andrew would be far more than the pointless boorish buffoon that he is.
Mr Rees-Mogg is a highly educated and intelligent man, although I disagree with his abortion views.
If privilege and wealth were the simple keys to a successful and productive life, then Prince Andrew would be far more than the pointless boorish buffoon that he is.
No you misunderstand me, I don't think 'only' the rich and well educated can be clever and articulate, that's ridiculous, but I am saying he has a natural advantage in that he had the very best start possible in terms of education. I personally think Benjamin Zephaniah is far more articulate and intelligent than Moggy and he had no silver spoon start.
I do however feel that a man (or woman) attempting to take a woman's choice away about what happens to her body after she has been raped is beyond judgemental and reprehensible, and that is exactly what Rees-Mogg considers virtuous.
I think he is dangerous, backward and I find his views morally repugnant, as despite the fact that I personally would never have an abortion ( except perhaps under a circumstance where the child would be in terrible pain and have absolutely no quality of life) I certainly wouldn't dare to impose my own view about that on another woman, that's just horrific.
I do however feel that a man (or woman) attempting to take a woman's choice away about what happens to her body after she has been raped is beyond judgemental and reprehensible, and that is exactly what Rees-Mogg considers virtuous.
I think he is dangerous, backward and I find his views morally repugnant, as despite the fact that I personally would never have an abortion ( except perhaps under a circumstance where the child would be in terrible pain and have absolutely no quality of life) I certainly wouldn't dare to impose my own view about that on another woman, that's just horrific.
kvalidir - // I do however feel that a man (or woman) attempting to take a woman's choice away about what happens to her body after she has been raped is beyond judgemental and reprehensible, and that is exactly what Rees-Mogg considers virtuous. //
I an only echo your sentiments entirely.
I attend Mass on Sunday with my wife, although I am an atheist, but I will never give a penny to the Pro-Life collections, the decision of a mother to terminate her pregnancy is hers and hers alone.
I an only echo your sentiments entirely.
I attend Mass on Sunday with my wife, although I am an atheist, but I will never give a penny to the Pro-Life collections, the decision of a mother to terminate her pregnancy is hers and hers alone.
Yes Andy I think you can disagree with a persons views but still admire them. His views on abortion are complex. He believes that life starts at conception ,so do I. Therefore he believes that no one has the right to take a life ,according to him, given by God. This is where we start to drift apart here, but I have to agree that no one has the right to take a life. However my beliefs are that however abhorrent it is to me, it should be the choice of the woman, a choice that she will live with for the rest of her life. I believe this choice should be given under strict circumstances which include rape and medical reasons. I do not think Abortion should be used as a contraceptive. I'm not sure how far away from my thoughts Ree-Mogg is on this one, but I still respect and admire him.
kval Rees-Mogg has a moral code based on his Christian beliefs. I am not Christian so can't comment on the rights or wrongs of this belief system, though it seems to be no better or worse than most standard Religions.
He has the right, as does everyone, to live his life how he feels fit and also to vocalise, as you do, what he believes to be right and wrong.
I don't think Rees-Mogg has ever described women who have abortions as //dangerous, backward and morally repugnant, // which is how you have described him.
He has the right, as does everyone, to live his life how he feels fit and also to vocalise, as you do, what he believes to be right and wrong.
I don't think Rees-Mogg has ever described women who have abortions as //dangerous, backward and morally repugnant, // which is how you have described him.
“Just a pity he is mired in centuries-old attitudes.”
It’s strange that whenever that accusation is levelled against Muslims (and the evidence to support that contention is far more abundant than that to support a case against JR-M) howls of “racism” and “Islamophobia” abound. It’s a funny old world.
“…who has benefited from the class system by having an excellent education at that time only available to people from his social class,”
That’s the fault of the Labour government of the mid-1960s and in particular one Anthony Crosland, the then Secretary of State for Education, who vowed "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every *** grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland." He near enough succeeded in his aim and the opportunity of high quality academic education was lost to millions of young people. I benefitted from such an education. I came from working class parents who very often did not have a pot to pee in. But they did their best for me and encouraged me to take advantage of the opportunities I was given. Many Old Boys from my school went on to highly successful careers which were only possible because they had received a sound, free, grammar school education. Those who were not so successful include four of the five members of Spandau Ballet (the only one missing from my school being Martin Kemp). But their success was built on their education which didn’t just teach them to pass exams but taught them to make the best of the opportunities they might stumble across.
“If you'd taken a kid from a sink hole estate and swapped them over when they were babies that lowly chav would be exactly the same.”
Possibly (though not necessarily). But if you’d swapped the parents as well that would not have been true. Parents shape children’s futures just as much as education does.
I, too, disagree with Mr Rees-Mogg's views on abortion but I agree with just about everything else he says.
It’s strange that whenever that accusation is levelled against Muslims (and the evidence to support that contention is far more abundant than that to support a case against JR-M) howls of “racism” and “Islamophobia” abound. It’s a funny old world.
“…who has benefited from the class system by having an excellent education at that time only available to people from his social class,”
That’s the fault of the Labour government of the mid-1960s and in particular one Anthony Crosland, the then Secretary of State for Education, who vowed "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every *** grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland." He near enough succeeded in his aim and the opportunity of high quality academic education was lost to millions of young people. I benefitted from such an education. I came from working class parents who very often did not have a pot to pee in. But they did their best for me and encouraged me to take advantage of the opportunities I was given. Many Old Boys from my school went on to highly successful careers which were only possible because they had received a sound, free, grammar school education. Those who were not so successful include four of the five members of Spandau Ballet (the only one missing from my school being Martin Kemp). But their success was built on their education which didn’t just teach them to pass exams but taught them to make the best of the opportunities they might stumble across.
“If you'd taken a kid from a sink hole estate and swapped them over when they were babies that lowly chav would be exactly the same.”
Possibly (though not necessarily). But if you’d swapped the parents as well that would not have been true. Parents shape children’s futures just as much as education does.
I, too, disagree with Mr Rees-Mogg's views on abortion but I agree with just about everything else he says.
//That’s the fault of the Labour government of the mid-1960s and in particular one Anthony Crosland, the then Secretary of State for Education, who vowed "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every *** grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland." He near enough succeeded in his aim and the opportunity of high quality academic education was lost to millions of young people. //
How very true. I also benefited from the same Grammar School education and encouragement to make my own way in the World without depending on the "State". How differently successive generations of children have been indoctrinated since then. Schools from Primary to Secondary level, and our Universities now celebrate ethnic studies, women's studies, transgender studies, and Marxist-politicized versions of sociology and psychology, while sneering at maths, physics, and engineering. Meanwhile, they blame our school's humiliatingly low test scores and Third World rates of illiteracy on "racism," "poverty," "white privilege," "toxic masculinity," and every other fashionable "outrage" the Left can dream up to justify their illogical lunacy.
How very true. I also benefited from the same Grammar School education and encouragement to make my own way in the World without depending on the "State". How differently successive generations of children have been indoctrinated since then. Schools from Primary to Secondary level, and our Universities now celebrate ethnic studies, women's studies, transgender studies, and Marxist-politicized versions of sociology and psychology, while sneering at maths, physics, and engineering. Meanwhile, they blame our school's humiliatingly low test scores and Third World rates of illiteracy on "racism," "poverty," "white privilege," "toxic masculinity," and every other fashionable "outrage" the Left can dream up to justify their illogical lunacy.
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