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I read it through and agreed with it sandy, so have signed.
15:51 Thu 20th Sep 2018
Thanks but no thanks Sandy,
Mrs May kicked police morale into the long grass long before austerity cuts and budget restraints when she,herself was Home Secretary.
Mr Moore ,I would suggest ,has a very short memory if he cannot remember the reception that Home Secretary May received by rank and file members of the PF at their conference.Frankly it was embarassing but I suppose Moore,being a senior officer, only attended Superintendent's and ACPO meetings.
It was senior officer toadies who pandered to govt from the altar of Political correctness when Commissioner Blair was in office.
What's up?. The Government starting to feel the heat after their treatment of police officers! Pay for police officers now is less than what I earned 21 years ago as a senior constable when you consider there is no rent allowance or single or married police accomodation in central London. Same for nurses. No nurses accomodation any more.
Prospective Police officers now have to pay for courses,as do nurses, when they enter the various stages of entry including a worthless year or so as a PCSO.You do not need University degree knowledge to be a police officer.I have a long letter from London Police Pensioner magazine from a father of a trainee police constable who explains the ridiculous hoops his son has to jump through.. It is enough to put any one off joining. Unless Mr Javid intends to overthrow his boss then this country gets the police service the government thinks the electorate deserve .I wouldn't waste the ink in my pen.
My Great Grand father,father and myself could count about 90 years of service in the Force,as it was,and they will be turning in their grave when they see a Detective superintendent suspended for saying "whiter than white." It seems the importance of experience can well be afforded for sacrifice on the altar of Political correctness.
That nonsense is part of the problem of police manpower shortages.
Mrs May kicked police morale into the long grass long before austerity cuts and budget restraints when she,herself was Home Secretary.
Mr Moore ,I would suggest ,has a very short memory if he cannot remember the reception that Home Secretary May received by rank and file members of the PF at their conference.Frankly it was embarassing but I suppose Moore,being a senior officer, only attended Superintendent's and ACPO meetings.
It was senior officer toadies who pandered to govt from the altar of Political correctness when Commissioner Blair was in office.
What's up?. The Government starting to feel the heat after their treatment of police officers! Pay for police officers now is less than what I earned 21 years ago as a senior constable when you consider there is no rent allowance or single or married police accomodation in central London. Same for nurses. No nurses accomodation any more.
Prospective Police officers now have to pay for courses,as do nurses, when they enter the various stages of entry including a worthless year or so as a PCSO.You do not need University degree knowledge to be a police officer.I have a long letter from London Police Pensioner magazine from a father of a trainee police constable who explains the ridiculous hoops his son has to jump through.. It is enough to put any one off joining. Unless Mr Javid intends to overthrow his boss then this country gets the police service the government thinks the electorate deserve .I wouldn't waste the ink in my pen.
My Great Grand father,father and myself could count about 90 years of service in the Force,as it was,and they will be turning in their grave when they see a Detective superintendent suspended for saying "whiter than white." It seems the importance of experience can well be afforded for sacrifice on the altar of Political correctness.
That nonsense is part of the problem of police manpower shortages.
sandyRoe, I think that if all the present "front-line" police officers were not so fettered, shackled, hobbled, and reined-in by numerous chains of namby-pamby political-correct gobbledygook and allowed to do some actual policing we wouldn't need any more.
Not no more they don't the pension is carp and 60 is a retirement age.
Ex servicemen were a reliable source of recruitment and much valued. Not any more. About 10 years after I retired when ex-sevicemen were allowed in the first thing they were advised to do was sign a form for supplementary benefit if they wanted their wife and kids to upsticks from Bulford camp or whatever and rent in the smoke. The pay wouldn't cover the rent. If ever there is a way to reintroduce corruption in the police force after it was stamped out by Sir Robert Mark in the 60s then pay peanuts for putting your life on the line. Remember it's the thin blue line who are expected to run towards the threat whilst others flee it.Who helped the government when fire fighters went on strike in the 80s. Operation Burberry. The armed forces and the police. Likewise the ambulance workers strike later.Those services rowed the Various governments of the day out the brown stuff and what precious little thanks do those services get for it now ? Jack.
Ex servicemen were a reliable source of recruitment and much valued. Not any more. About 10 years after I retired when ex-sevicemen were allowed in the first thing they were advised to do was sign a form for supplementary benefit if they wanted their wife and kids to upsticks from Bulford camp or whatever and rent in the smoke. The pay wouldn't cover the rent. If ever there is a way to reintroduce corruption in the police force after it was stamped out by Sir Robert Mark in the 60s then pay peanuts for putting your life on the line. Remember it's the thin blue line who are expected to run towards the threat whilst others flee it.Who helped the government when fire fighters went on strike in the 80s. Operation Burberry. The armed forces and the police. Likewise the ambulance workers strike later.Those services rowed the Various governments of the day out the brown stuff and what precious little thanks do those services get for it now ? Jack.
Retrocop you sound very bitter, and I don’t dispute your entitlement to be so. My brother in law retired from the force after 30 years service with the rank of inspector.
Just before retirement he held the temporary rank of chief inspector. That was the rank his pension was based on. He cleared £420 a week after tax. I know he paid in a fair amount and this was 13 years ago. But with incremental increases he ain’t doing bad financialy.
Just before retirement he held the temporary rank of chief inspector. That was the rank his pension was based on. He cleared £420 a week after tax. I know he paid in a fair amount and this was 13 years ago. But with incremental increases he ain’t doing bad financialy.
David
I am bitter how the government is treating the police now and the pension now is rubbish.
As you quite rightly say the pension contributions were formidable and many a time I was tempted to opt out but stuck with it.
As a retired constable I am more than happy with my pension and the lifestyle I enjoy. I feel bitter what my colleagues now endure and the contempt shown to them by the government of this day.
I am bitter how the government is treating the police now and the pension now is rubbish.
As you quite rightly say the pension contributions were formidable and many a time I was tempted to opt out but stuck with it.
As a retired constable I am more than happy with my pension and the lifestyle I enjoy. I feel bitter what my colleagues now endure and the contempt shown to them by the government of this day.
One can’t help but feel the government has a secret agenda by crippling the police force. I know the police cannot strike, but surely there is a way to force governments to address this issue as it affects all of us one way or another. On a personal note I feel there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians so to speak.
David
As I said earlier pensions now in the police are less then they were.
Obviously your BIL's pension proves how they have lessened. He retired 13 years ago after 30 years service with the pensionable rank of C/I and clears £1620 approx after tax per month. I have just looked at my latest bank statement and after retiring as a lowly constable in Nov 1997 I clear 2169 per month after tax and that would be more if I had not commuted the maximum lump sum allowed of £30,000. which I invested in a holiday home,now in Dorset.I believe that may demonstrate how pensions have fallen over relatively few years. I wouldn't want the rank of C/I and all the grief that comes with it for his pension :-)
As I said earlier pensions now in the police are less then they were.
Obviously your BIL's pension proves how they have lessened. He retired 13 years ago after 30 years service with the pensionable rank of C/I and clears £1620 approx after tax per month. I have just looked at my latest bank statement and after retiring as a lowly constable in Nov 1997 I clear 2169 per month after tax and that would be more if I had not commuted the maximum lump sum allowed of £30,000. which I invested in a holiday home,now in Dorset.I believe that may demonstrate how pensions have fallen over relatively few years. I wouldn't want the rank of C/I and all the grief that comes with it for his pension :-)
// As you quite rightly say the pension contributions were formidable and many a time I was tempted to opt out but stuck with it. //
where do you get this crazy stuff from ? the police pension is much better than any SIPP or do it yourself pension - or for that matter any employers pension.... ( decent employers contribution - the industry average is 2% )
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says the employer contribution ( us as taxpayer) is 24%.
jesus - and yes the industry average ( ie the employer cont for an average Aber is still 2% )
where do you get this crazy stuff from ? the police pension is much better than any SIPP or do it yourself pension - or for that matter any employers pension.... ( decent employers contribution - the industry average is 2% )
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says the employer contribution ( us as taxpayer) is 24%.
jesus - and yes the industry average ( ie the employer cont for an average Aber is still 2% )
The Policemans lot has not fared well over the years and the only explanation for that is poor representation. One would think that with their Law contacts they would have had some quietly powerful people working for their Federation, particularly in view of the fact that they don't have the ultimate sanction of withdrawal of labour. They have allowed and in some cases encouraged political correctness to become dominant in their work and real earnings are not what they should be. Generally speaking, for about a century PC's used to be paid about the same as a train driver or a plumber or gas fitter...most of these other jobs now seem to be in the £50k range.
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