the lord's prayer

[mjandrews96]

i would like to know when the final part of the lord's prayer was added (thine is the power etc) and is now said in all churches it never used to be said in the catholic church tks to all

[mycatis]

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

I'm not religous (sp?) but I love the Lords Prayer, we said it every morning at school and I find it comforting!

[mycatis]

OK, OK I posted that then read your question properly, I'm terribly sorry *blush*

[rampart]

This final part is a doxology (words that praise the Trinity). I do not know when it was added, but here is a good sermon on it:

http://www.christianinconnect.com/lpdox.htm

[Buenchico]

I'm not at all sure that anything has been added (or, indeed, could be added) to the Lord's Prayer. It's given that name because it's the prayer which Jesus taught to his disciples, so it's existed, in it's entirety, at least since the Gospels of St Luke and St Matthew were written. (Luke, xi, 2-4 and Matthew, vi, 9-15). I can't think of any reason why the Catholic church would seek to truncate the words of Jesus.

Chris
(A devout atheist!)

[mimififi]

I was about to say the same thing Mr Buenchico....

(Except for the Parenthesis, :-))

[rampart]

mjandrews,

In the prayer book, you will find the Lord's Prayer several times, sometimes with the doxology you mention, sometimes not. See Morning Prayer, for example.

I have noticed this before, and do not know why this is done. I go to mass at a cathedral every Sunday, and have never thought to ask! Now I am curious!

[rampart]

In the post just above, I meant to say that I am writing of the Church of England's prayer book. This is also the case in the Episcopal Church's prayer book. Sometimes you will find these words at the end of the Lord's Prayer, and sometimes not.

[woofgang]

here's what the King james version of the bible says

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=6&version=9&context=chapter

[woofgang]

I believe that the omision of the last part has been ascribed to a copier error that was replicated at the time when all books were hand written and copied by monks. Not sure if this is true though, but it is what I was taught at (CofE) school

[mjandrews96]

mani tks fr all yr answers i was bought as a catholic and we never used the ending but when now i go to interdenominational svces including catholics it is always used i was just being curious thats what this site is all about one day i may find out when this part was added cud be after the reformation tks all

[darkstar]

MJANDREWS Your correct I was brought up a Catholic and we never said (thine is etc)

[avis50]

If you Google the following:

"lord's prayer" doxology added

you get lots of results!

This article

http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/01ws/ws010726.htm

from the Catholic Herald newspaper in Arlington, Virginia, is very detailed.

[rampart]

Avis, thanks for finding that. This has been driving me crazy since the question first appeared!

[mjandrews96]

to avis50

many tks for yr help in solving this question now i can put this to sleep. i knew there was somebody somewhere who would have the answer once again im obliged to you for yr help tks rgds etc etc

mjandrews96

[chikispirit]

I love the Lord's Prayer too, my catis. I have done searches on google and found a considerable amount of different versions but am hoping to compose one myself one day.

I am sorry I don't know when the final part was added, mjandrews96