Why Is The N H S Funding I V F At All?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66927609

There is no shortage of people. If people want IVF they should be paying privately. The state should not have to pay for non essential treatments.

[naomi24]

I don't know - and I agree with you.  The NHS has morphed into something that was never intended.

[douglas9401]

It's been a while.

 

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question793253.html

[douglas9401]

Something a bit more current:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66927609

 

This could be good.

[naomi24]

^Indeed.  High time it was revisited.

[naomi24]

Douglas, that's the link that TTT posted.  You could have saved yourself the trouble by reading that.

[Old_Geezer]

I too think it ought not be on the NHS budget, and the NHS should concentrate on life threatening issues and obvious disease/injury issues first.

 

But it is difficult to agree where one draws the line. We probably want to include health issues that make life unpleasant too, such as blocked ears,  uncomfortable but benign tumours/cycts etc. too. So if one sees a way to remove mental anguish it could get included, albeit taking a share of the budget that could go elsewhere.

 

Maybe some things need to be on a separate budget, separate system ?

[douglas9401]

So it is. Twins!!

[douglas9401]

Oh, and it's no trouble at all. x

[Hymie]

To maintain a stable population requires a fertility rate of 2.4 – the current UK fertility rate is less than 1.6.  So either we encourage those pesky foreigners to come and live here, launch a campaign for the indigenous populous to ‘Fornicate Under Command of the King’; or accept that our population will decline.

[ToraToraTora]

I agree we have reached peak child but a future with less people is a good thing isn't it?

[ToraToraTora]

fewer! aaarrrgghh!

[Zacs-Master]

Not necessarily, Tora:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_consequences_of_population_decline#:~:text=The%20possible%20impacts%20of%20a,in%20these%20sectors%20then%20suffers.

[Zacs-Master]

It's difficult to define 'essential' though isn't it?

if the lack of being able to conceive ruins someone's, or a couple's, lives then might it be deemed 'essential'?

[ToraToraTora]

They can adopt there are 1000s of kids that need parents.

[gulliver1]

Don't worry about it TTT ,,,The £350m a week Boris clawed back From the EU ,on his Brexit bus will more than pay for it and give you change.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[douglas9401]

Plenty more room on top.

[fender62]

should not be on the nhs, and besides the country is over populated already, enforced birth control and deport dinghy migrants who are mostly young men from dubious backgrounds and cultures.

[Redhelen72]

They should adopt!

oh if only it was so easy, have you ever tried to adopt? 

[Old_Geezer]

Why on Earth would anyone want to ruin our late change to a sensible rate of reproduction by actually trying to keep our overcrowded nation stable ? The population figures need to reduce, the last thing we need to be doing is importing excess citizens (with their strange cultures) from areas that have yet to learn to control their reproduction rate. If we have progressed to understanding the issue and doing something about it, then we should ensure we continue to set a good example, not import problems from population control underachieving nations.

[Old_Geezer]

Capita GDP increase is for all national producers and need not change with a decrease in total population, since it isn't all the population that produces. Such a nation would aim to maintain whatever production is needed to service a smaller population than previously. It would be to ensure enough fit citizens of working age to cover the nation's needs, not to go mad trying to increase production with fewer producers for the benefit of fewer people.